[Red Steel]

To make things more clearer around here, I'll add my expertise to the subject after a long study.

As we know, the real the problem is the misinterpretation about the meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

"Jurisdiction thereof" is more than meaning that persons living in the territory of a country obeying their lawful statutes in the context of 14th Amendment, the true understanding of its meaning and intent is allegiance to country of citizenship from where they come from.

Using Mexico, as an example, that the statement I wrote above is completely true, is that Mexico grants Mexican citizenship through jus sanguinis to newborn offspring for their citizens living abroad. As we see, Mexico still claims jurisdictional allegiance [thereof] over their citizens and their newborn children who are living elsewhere.

People have purposely misread the first sentence of Article XIV Section 1, as it says,

"All person born or naturalized in the United States, AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

To believe the Media and the Left the first sentence of the 14th Amend. would have been written this way:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" would be a redundant clause. The former clause inherently tells us they are already subjected to the laws of the United States. Then why be redundant in form? You would not be.

The word "And" means a required conditional. So therefore, the true purpose of the later clause informs us about owing allegiance concerning their citizenship to their distinct sovereign states, and in this case owing allegiance to the United States.

For more proof about the meaning and intent of the 14th Amendment is look at the law passed previously by Congress, in the first sentence, that covers the same subject. It's completely understandable that cannot be easily obfuscated, but less elegant of a statement. The reason they turned this same law, which became basis of the 14th Amendment, so it would not be easily overturned by a future Congress.

[LucyT]

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Check out #385.

Thanks, Red Steel.

[bgill]

“subject to the jurisdiction thereof” and “natural born citizen” are both cravats bringing attention to an important meaning.

[Electric Graffiti]

The 14th Amendment was for the sole purpose of giving citizenship to newly freed STATELESS slaves. Those persons were under the COMPLETE jurisdiction of the U.S. Owing no other allegiances to any other entity but the U.S....No other countries, tribal nations, etc.

From rxsid's most excellent post:

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase (All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside):

[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Sen. W. Williams:

I understand the words here, 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,' to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.