From awhile back - decades
Posted on 10/29/2018 10:16:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
A former Australian prime minister has warned the government to expect a negative reaction from Indonesia if Australia follows the United States by shifting its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull spoke to reporters after meeting Indonesian President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo on the tourist island of Bali on Monday to discuss a bilateral free trade deal.
“The president expressed to me ... the very serious concern held in Indonesia about the prospect of the Australian Embassy in Israel being moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem,” Turnbull told Australian Broadcasting Corp. in an interview aired on Tuesday. “There’s no question that were that move to occur, it would be met with a very negative reaction in Indonesia.”
“This is after all the largest … majority-Muslim country in the world, so we have to be very clear-eyed about that and we have to take into account Australia’s national interest and our interests in the region when we … consider decisions like this,” he added.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Tuesday no decision had been made yet on the embassy’s location. …
(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...
Australia has to develop its own nuclear weapons arsenal so countries like Indonesia can’t blackmail into opposing things of no concern to them in Israel.
Indonesia’s leaders today apparently learned nothing from the attempted Indonesian Communist Party and their Red Chinese agents on the island coup of 1965. Instead of welcoming Australia as a defense partner against the real threat, Red China, they are playing the “I’m the largest Islamic nation in the world” role in opposing Israel having its capital where it wants to.
Indonesia is a big enough country to tell the other Arab/Moslem countries to back off, but they won’t. Their blind allegiance to Islam is what keeps them a second or third rate nation (where Soviet disinformation against a US-aided vaccination campaign against polio was stopped for months by superstitious local leaders who believed the Red-created attacks on the US effort).
There would be so much more peace in the world if countries like Indonesia stood up and said that “We want to join the 20th century, no less the 21st century”, but they won’t. That is their tragedy, and yet when another tsunami hits them with tremendous casualties, it will be the US Navy (with Jewish sailors in it), who will respond in time to save tens of thousands of lives, like they did about 10-12 years ago. And what the Indonesian bigots don’t know or want to acknowledge is that some of the life-saving methods for rescuing people trapped in collapsed buildings were created by the Israelis for all to have and use.
Bigotry and stupidity is unbefitting a potentially major nation in that part of the world.
The president expressed to me ... the very serious concern held in Indonesia about the prospect of the Australian Embassy in Israel being moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
Turnbull and Indonesia can go be fruitful and multiply, but not in those words. Thanks Olog-hai.
Problem with that notion of “joining the twentieth century” is the subjective definition; some may take that as joining the second world as a socialist state, and this is a move that many Islamic nations made in that century.
Pretty much why he is no our Ex Pm. He was always a bit too centrist. I.e. a little too left for a conservative party
Well, probably more than a little, given his being Mr. Same-Sex “Marriage” there.
“There would be so much more peace in the world if countries like Indonesia stood up and said that “We want to join the 20th century, no less the 21st century”, but they won’t.”
To these people oppression is power. Liberty is the mortal enemy of oppression. For if there is freedom the oppressor’s power is no more.......
Indonesia can get over it. Indonesia needs Australia more.
Pathetic to toady to islamonazis. Pathetic
Funnily enough Olag even though he oversaw the same sex marriage vote it was actually the doing of the super conservative Catholic Tony Abott whose sister is a Lesbian. I don’t know what he was thinking at the time when the left had refused to do anything about it in their time in power. Maybe he genuinely thought the no vote would win when push came to shove (excuse any possible mental imagery).
NEVER!
But of course, no one cares when this happens:
Central Java: Thousands of Muslims attack three churches, an orphanage and a Christian centre
why on earth would that even factor in? Indonesia is a sh8thole country.
Abbott’s thinking was that it was going to happen anyway, the next time we had a Labor government, so he’d rather have it happen by a decision of the Australian people as a whole, than something simply imposed on them by a socialist government. He knew the way the vote would go - and he was enough of a true democrat to respect the will of the people if that is what happened.
The Liberal Party has always been the party of democracy in Australia - of the right of the people as a whole to have their say. Labor is the party that believes in the imposition of their agenda on the people ‘for their own good’ whether they agree with it or not.
The Liberal Party hasn’t always lived up to this. But it has done so fairly consistently.
A major decision at the core of society should only be taken by the express will of the people. Our system allows that will to be expressed in one of two ways - by a party seeking a mandate at an election, or by a separate vote.
Would anybody have really wanted an election where this was the major issue? Leaving aside the electoral mathematics, this is not an issue that should define who is in government for the next three years.
You mean “super-conservative Catholic” just like Pope Francis is.
And was Turnbull’s thinking like David Cameron’s? I can only go by his words with respect to Indonesia now.
Only liberal-minded politicians will presume that Labor would take over, with all due respect. Do a good job and Labor would not have a chance.
Also, referendum votes can be skewed. They do not represent the will of the people, but a quieter form of mob rule.
While you are no doubt correct I would have taken it to an election. Labor managed to convince a lot of people to withhold their vote over the cost of the plebiscite. I still believe the actual figures are closer than came out in the vote.
..Dave Hunt was one of the few straight shooters—didn’t worry about who he made mad...
Always loved watching Dave Hunt. Wish I could have met him.
Well, I will anyways.
;)
Eventually a Labor government is going to win an election. It might take twenty over twenty years as it did in the Menzies era, but eventually it is going to happen.
And, yes, referendum votes can be skewed. That doesn’t change the fact that they are an accepted way - indeed, at time, the only constitutional way - certain things are done in Australia. I think people outside our borders often don’t understand why the referendum is such a common tool in Australia - it’s because it’s what the people who wrote our constitution decided to put at the core of that constitution. Even if you think they were wrong, conservative governments tend to follow constitutional rules and that’s the one big one here.
When Abbott made his decision about a plebiscite, he might realistically have been hoping for as many as three or four terms in office for a Liberal/Coalition government - but four terms is rare - and Labor would have sought to make each election one fought almost solely over same sex marriage. It would have become the most important issue in the country’s political process - and that would have been a ridiculous situation. Getting it out of the way so the government could actually govern was sensible.
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