they are basically saying EVERYBODY that died on the island was due to the cain/Trumps fault... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Posted on 09/13/2018 12:31:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
bkmk
And may I quote you on that? You see, I would be very hesitant to make such a blatant statements, but I've always believed in the adage that "fools rush in where angels fear to tread."
I've seen numbers. They might not be right, but it seemed as if the person who wrote them did his homework.
The “homework” was statistical extrapolation assuming same # of deaths as whatever his baseline is. That doesn’t prove anything.
they are basically saying EVERYBODY that died on the island was due to the cain/Trumps fault... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
We are not talking about Puerto Rico.
And that is why you need to spend serious time reading actual history.
Shelby Foote for one said he spent years looking for real evidence of all those alleged civilian deaths, reading old news reports, even to the point of researching graveyards, and could find nothing.
They never happened.
What did happen was the 1870 census when many Southerners refused to be counted, understating the South's population and leading to claims of mass deaths.
By 1880's census they all were counted and all those statistically dead people restored to political life, a miracle of representative government, for sure.
Ah, my bad.
If he found nothing, that is just as troubling as if he had found all of it. "Nothing"? You mean to say no former slaves starved, and no families who's lands and farms had been destroyed starved? Nobody died of disease? Nobody died of exposure?
"Nothing" doesn't sound plausible either.
What did happen was the 1870 census when many Southerners refused to be counted, understating the South's population and leading to claims of mass deaths. By 1880's census they all were counted and all those statistically dead people restored to political life, a miracle of representative government, for sure.
Well, that's one theory anyway. Might be right, though I don't see much point in refusing to make your representation as high as possible.
I'm not going to go to a lot of trouble looking for this information again. I stumbled onto it the first time looking for something on a completely different point, but what I read seemed quite plausible, and the guy did cite sources for his information.
If I run across it again, i'll try to remember that you and some others want to see it.
To answer Mark Levin’s question about why did this report on Puerto Rican hurricane deaths, with a figure of “3,000” come out just now?
1. It came out about Sept. 10-11th if I recall correctly, just in time for the anniversary of the attacks on 9/11 (which implied that Trump, like Bush, was “not prepared” to act responsibly to what had happened. Alinsky LIE #1. REPEAT A LIE UNTIL PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS TRUE
2. The figure of “3,000” hurricane related deaths from last year is THE SAME AS THE 3,000 DEATHS FOR 9/11 (BUT NOT INCLUDING POST-9/11 RELATED DEATHS FROM SECONDARY CAUSES SUCH AS CHEMICAL/MINERAL CAUSED DEATHS - Lung diseases, heart attacks, etc).
The report is trying to say that TRUMP caused these “3,000” deaths be “inaction or slowness to respond” which is pure leftist bullshit. LIE ABOUT THE COMPLETE CONTEXT OF THOSE CASUALTIES - RADIO HANOI TACTIC.
3. The report, like the Leftist and Rightist conspiracy theories, try to blame (a) Pres. Bush, who had only been official in office for 7-1/2 months, for a failure to prevent 9/11 (instead of Clinton who had at least 3-5 years of intelligence telling him an airplane attack plan was underway), AND, (b), trying to blame Pres. Trump, who had only been in office for about 7-1/2 months when the hurricane hit Puerto Rico, for the disaster that the Democrat-ruled island suffered from in terms on ineptitude and corruption (esp. by the Mayoress of San Juan and the Governor). ALINSKY AND COMMUNIST RULE #2. ALWAYS DEFLECT THE INCOMPETENCE AND INDIFFERENCE OF THEIR ALLIES, I.E. THE DEMCORATS, by blaming their opponents, the Republicans, the military, etc.
And of course you can count on most of the mainstream media to pile on or ignore lies, distortions, manipulated figures, etc. Why should they tell the truth through competent reporting when they can promote their hate and leftist agendas through deception and fake news?
I’ve seen this for 50 years, even in Vietnam, how the media aids and abets our enemies, domestic and foreign, and how some government agencies/groups can manipulate data enough to blame Moses for the 10 Plagues or Christ for his own crucifixion.
The mayor of San Juan was a lying c-word, I remember that from that time.
If it wasn’t for Trump’s approach, nobody would check if the numbers were legit.
There’s a method to Trump’s madness.
Yeah, don’t expect this asshat to help the president out. And I’m predicting that he’ll write some book explaining that he decided not to run for reelection because he doesn’t believe in Trump’s idea of America...
Here’s the deal. When there’s an earthquake or a tonado or a hurricane, it’s customary to give an initial death count regarding the catastrophe....e.g. Earthquake hits Bangladesh...1000 feared dead etc.
Ok, so we have this hurricane in PR...they report within the first several days that there 18 dead approx. Ok, maybe add a few who die of their injuries...
But to say the hurricane took 3000 lives is a lie. I could argue that the following deaths should be blamed on the local democrats inability to get food and water and shelter etc for the people AFTER the hurricane. There was a photo of a warehouse with tons of water undelivered.
Of course not. Everyone is blabbing that Trump is an idiot a hole who hates Puerto Rico. If only facts meant something anymore.
Nothing to justify claims of "millions" or even "thousands" of civilian deaths.
Yes, there are plenty of graves of actual Confederate soldiers, but there is no noticeable increase in civilian graves or news reports of mass deaths from starvation & exposure.
Further, during the war is one thing, but after the war might be something else entirely.
After the war came certainly huge economic & social disruptions, but even then, no actual data supporting claims of "millions" or even "thousands" of unnatural deaths.
DiogenesLamp: "I'm not going to go to a lot of trouble looking for this information again"
Of course not, after all, why bother with mere facts when simple handwaving suffices?
More like I don’t consider the aftermath to be as significant of a topic of discussion as I do the beginning. It’s somewhat interesting, but not so much as how the war started and why.
The same with Ron Desantis that jerk whom Trump went to Florida to campaign for,how could that dolt be losing to a corrupt left Wing fruit cake?
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