Posted on 08/24/2018 6:12:10 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
Edited on 08/24/2018 10:11:30 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Do you think you are being accurate here? Think about the manure, the blood, the heat and the backbreaking labor, leaving out whether everyone is suited to slaughter animals.
These are not jobs that can be filled by people who are not used to that kind of work or very motivated.”””
Many jobs are done ‘in the heat’. Road work-—Roofing—Landscaping-—lots of jobs.
San Francisco is planning on paying people a salary of over $180,000 annually to pick up HUMAN poop & drug needles. I can guarantee you that cow poop is alot cleaner than that HUMAN poop.
However- if you think that paying farm labor in the $180,000 range per year, You can plan on spending over $25 a gallon for milk.
The BLOOD? SLAUGHTER?
What do you think happens on these dairy farms? The slaughter houses are NOT the dairy farms.
Keep hammering the ranchers & farmers & get ready to eat food that comes from countries where HUMAN waste is used on fields. Why do you think we have had so many cases of E-Coli in the USA over the past years???
Maybe a program to put kids & others to work instead of paying them welfare is in order here. There are plenty of able-bodied people collecting welfare that shouldn’t be getting such funds.
The Bracerro Program worked for years.
Don’t know why is was abandoned.
The Bracerro Program worked for years.
Don’t know why it was abandoned.
Must be several threads right on FR that mention it the body of the text. Can’t recall which right off the bat.
I think we are in less disagreement than you think. I referenced the food producing industries that are rife with illegal aliens and whose association spokesmen have said they need guest worker programs.
Your point about jobs in the heat and manure collectors does not refute my point that the ghettos cannot be emptied by eliminating a guest worker program. A lot of the jobs you mentioned like landscaping & construction have a high illegal immigrant population. In fact many of the ICE sweeps have targeted such places of work.
How exactly do you intend to move people off welfare and onto farms across the width of the continent? When they don’t know what they are doing, can’t do the work etc will they be left as homeless or on California’s welfare rolls?
My point is that change needs to be incremental and with an endpoint that is in America’s interest. Do all the things we have discussed, deport illegals, develop a guest worker process so that we know who is in the country, can vet them and have a way to insure they leave, make sure the wages are fair & don’t starve out American workers, have a window for Americans to apply before guest workers are approved. Work towards closing the #’s by using mechanization where possible and utilizing local welfare and prison populations where appropriate. The illegals often rotate from crop to crop, perhaps if there were a rotation job contract for Americans they would be more able to build a life in that kind of employment. Otherwise marrying a welfare recipient in Newark to a job picking lettuce in California seems far fetched.
The e coli issue in agriculture is very real and that should be patrolled by local authorities with portable facilities & mandated access.
If the only way your business can succeed is by breaking the law, you’re not running a business. You’re running a criminal enterprise.
That statement could be said by any lib, socialist, communist, fascist.
There are so many laws around I am sure you are guilty of something and can be put away.
There are laws — legitimate, logical laws such as those controlling immigration — and there are overbearing, ridiculous, and oppressive regulations imposed by unelected bureaucrats and far in excess of constitutional boundaries.
See the 6th bullet point.
Fixed.
I am not in the industry but if I offer $X and get no one then $X is not the correct wage. It’s not rocket surgery.
Bingo!
That would be great but I don't want to destroy the food supply chain by ignoring the realities on the ground. I actually would prefer if Americans found the jobs they found most rewarding and in this economy they again have choices. If we have more jobs than workers I am fine with guest worker jobs.
You've completely bought off the globalist myth that there is a labor shortage. There is only a wage shortage.
Why is the food supply more important than manufacturing?
I never said it was. You are always so vehement when we meet on these topics and very black white. I have no bone to pick with you & I haven't bought into a labor shortage per say. What I have bought into is that gradual change of practices in established industries is better than an on off switch. On Off switches destroy supply chains.
I believe in closing the borders, limiting immigration to those that benefit America, no welfare for immigrants, a guest worker program that could be reduced as the jobs are filled with American workers. Having a guest worker program enables the Government to set the wage & working conditions to prevailing. That would make the jobs more attractive to Americans. If Americans are finding jobs they like better so be it. Welfare should require work unless the recipients are disabled or have young children.
“Don’t know why it was abandoned.”
To my knowledge, two reasons, both under the radar.
First: The program was started to bring in cheap labor to handle jobs for the economy. That no longer exists. We have the employment possibilities in our back yard for most of the jobs that it was designed for. By re-emplementing it, it would cut down the need for most to come across the border and invite more scrutiny at the line. The liberals do not want people to cross to work, they want them to cross to vote.
Second: The labor for these uneducated and untrained serfs is no longer cheap as they are all paid union wages unless they are under the table. The libs need to keep their unregistered contingency happy so it gets expensive for the people in agriculture to use unregistered as just as soon as the new creatures find out their counterparts are getting bigger bucks, it hits the fan. This is why they are trying so hard to open the borders and turn a blind eye to the others until they put a spotlight on themselves. Then a tiny percentage gets shipped back and is over the line again just as soon as they can get out of the buses. The only reason the numbers are high is because of welfare, illegal unemployment insurance, and free health care is a whole lot more than they can get in Mexioco or the other countries to the south. Go to East LA and try to get back with your clothes on. You’ll see the problems. And everyone has a voters card.
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Why to lower wages?
Having a guest worker program enables the Government to set the wage & working conditions to prevailing.
That is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. What GOPe loser....
The reason why the Republicans struggle to gain a majority is because a tiny sliver of the electorate, Free Traitor globalists ( Bushies), dominate the leadership of the party. Until they get the boot, the Republicans will always struggle, when they shouldn't have to.
If we allow guest workers their wage range is mandated by the G’vt so that they do not undercut Americans.
This is the current process. If you want to bring in a person for a job you say you can’t find an American to fill, the G’vt tells you the wage you must pay them.
In the tech industries where thousands of lower cost workers are brought in and in Disney the workers are being brought in at a cheaper salary and the American workers are displaced after training the foreigners. Those companies have negotiated deals that hurt Americans.
My point is that guest visa for work should not be given unless the company can prove they are offering the going wage, not displacing Americans and there should be a method of ensuring compliance. If a company doesn’t want the hassle they can hire American.
So no, I am not a GOPe loser. I am interested in protecting American workers and being sure that if we use guest workers there is a barrier to employing them giving the advantage to Americans.
a guest worker program that could be reduced as the jobs are filled with American workers. Why to lower wages?
No because if Americans take those jobs we would have no need for guest workers and we could reduce the quota that could be given Visas, keeping the wages competitive by reducing the number of workers available from outside America.
Why is it important it use foreigners to “control” or moderate wages? Why not let the AMERICAN labor market set wages? We have borders for a reason. Or do just hate borders?
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