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Data duel: Are gun-free zones really safer?
The Washington Times ^ | August 19, 2018 | David Sherfinski

Posted on 08/19/2018 3:50:59 PM PDT by jazusamo

Children are heading back to school with the debate over gun safety still raging six months after the Parkland massacre — and no issue is more heated than whether gun-free zones make students safer or more endangered.

Led by President Trump, gun rights backers are increasingly on the offensive, pushing to roll back the general policy consensus, enshrined in federal law, that guns and schools generally don’t mix.

A study by John R. Lott Jr., a gun crimes researcher, said close to 98 percent of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones, suggesting that they do little to stop, and may even invite, rampages.

Having access to guns limited to security officers doesn’t help much, he said.

“Even if they’re not in uniform but their job is to guard — and everybody knows their job is to guard — they are a target,” Mr. Lott said. “If you’re going to have an attack, they’re going to be the first guys taken out.”

But gun control advocates say ending gun-free zones would turn schools into the Wild West, with people who lack training or permits carrying weapons into classrooms, complicating matters for already overstretched and on-edge authorities.

Plus, they say, Mr. Lott’s data points just get it wrong, stretching definitions to shoehorn the numbers into a pro-gun narrative.

“Everytown believes that only law enforcement and other security officers should be armed in K-12 high schools,” said Adam Sege, spokesman for Everytown for Gun Safety.

Mr. Lott, who runs the Crime Prevention Research Center, has long been at the forefront of gun research, with pioneering work on the spread of concealed-carry permits and the resulting changes in crime rates.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; ccw; gunfreezones; johnrlott; massshootings
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1 posted on 08/19/2018 3:51:00 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Safer for criminals.


2 posted on 08/19/2018 3:53:35 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: jazusamo

Yes, just look at Chicago...aka, Mayberry.


3 posted on 08/19/2018 3:57:15 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (17...#1776)
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To: antidemoncrat

Exactly.


4 posted on 08/19/2018 3:57:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (Have You Donated to Keep Free Republic Up and Running?)
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5 posted on 08/19/2018 3:57:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=400><p> zXSEP5Z, xnKL3lW, XywCCJd, hGhstl4.)
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To: antidemoncrat

Even if the zone itself is “safer” for criminals, they gave to leave the zone sometime, and thus expose themselves to severe retaliation.

Which may or may not come in the form which they delivered it.

Has there ever been a successful escape from a “gun-free” shooting site, in which the perpetrator could walk about afterward? Many times, the perp takes his own life. Sometimes, the pursuit make take several days, or even longer, but eventually, somebody, somewhere, pieces it all together, and the timeline is established.


6 posted on 08/19/2018 4:05:02 PM PDT by alloysteel ("No" is a complete sentence. On so many levels.)
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"But gun control advocates say ending gun-free zones would turn schools into the Wild West, with people who lack training or permits carrying weapons into classrooms, complicating matters for already overstretched and on-edge authorities." I guess things were really out of hand back when clubs like these were quite common, eh?
7 posted on 08/19/2018 4:09:49 PM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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Yep...I have two grand kids in HS right now and both are in Jr ROTC.

Air Rifle marksmanship and competition is a big thing and they have an indoor range, the air rifles are not the Daisy kind we had as kids but powerful and accurate.

Was surprised the libs allow it but happy to find it out, it’s a great program.


8 posted on 08/19/2018 4:20:36 PM PDT by jazusamo (Have You Donated to Keep Free Republic Up and Running?)
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Safer for criminals, and creating more opportunity for mass murder and crime sprees. This is all these safe zones do.


9 posted on 08/19/2018 4:25:37 PM PDT by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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Yes definitely safer for thugs....


10 posted on 08/19/2018 4:26:37 PM PDT by TnTnTn
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11 posted on 08/19/2018 4:26:58 PM PDT by jazusamo (Have You Donated to Keep Free Republic Up and Running?)
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Gun Free Zone, Active Shooter


12 posted on 08/19/2018 4:28:13 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: OttawaFreeper

Everyone in the clubs were white. They were all civilized and not gang bangers and hitting their teachers and mouthing off every chance they got.


13 posted on 08/19/2018 4:32:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: jazusamo

Abolish large government run schools.

Dang! I’m a genius.


14 posted on 08/19/2018 4:35:38 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.- George Orwell)
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To: jazusamo

There is no guarantee a good guy with a gun will save the day, but there is an absolute guarantee the madman will have his way with no resistance.


15 posted on 08/19/2018 4:47:22 PM PDT by umgud
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In coward county Florida, the shooter walked out of the area among the students who were escaping.


16 posted on 08/19/2018 4:49:50 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: umgud

Well said, and potential shooters just knowing they’re not gun free zones undoubtedly will save lives.


17 posted on 08/19/2018 4:51:10 PM PDT by jazusamo (Have You Donated to Keep Free Republic Up and Running?)
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To: jazusamo

Depends upon how many signs there are, the more signs the safer the area.


18 posted on 08/19/2018 5:14:25 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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Another topic that’s been discussed a million times but never made public on a national level thanks to The Stupid Party incompetence and guts.


19 posted on 08/19/2018 5:27:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: jazusamo

for criminals practicing their trade it is.


20 posted on 08/19/2018 5:54:17 PM PDT by elbook
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