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To: dayglored; DUMBGRUNT; Swordmaker
By the way, this paragraph from the linked article strikes me as incorrect or mis-written:
Prosecutors were able to obtain the encrypted chats because, as Motherboard notes, Manafort was backing up information from his WhatsApp to Apple’s iCloud, where data is not encrypted and is thus available to police armed with a valid search warrant.
That says that he was foolishly not using Apple's encryption. Either there's something wrong with that descriptionl or Manafort was stupidly storing stuff in an unencrypted form.

Even Apple can't stop a determined user from doing something stupid.

If I'm mistaken in my reading of this situation, I'm sure Swordmaker can correct me with regard to Apple's involvement. It seems counter to everything I have read about Apple's encryption.

14 posted on 08/17/2018 6:39:27 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored; DUMBGRUNT; Swordmaker
Okay, I finally found out what you're talking about. There's an article on Motherboard: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/78kv7b/psa-apple-can-still-see-your-imessages-if-you-enable-icloud that describes how to cause your phone message backups to be stored in iCloud without private encryption.

It appears to me you have to try to do so, since local backup through iTunes -is- privately encrypted, and that's the recommended way to do it.

So Manafort chose to backup his phone messages without private encryption. Stupid.

15 posted on 08/17/2018 6:49:27 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
Prosecutors were able to obtain the encrypted chats because, as Motherboard notes, Manafort was backing up information from his WhatsApp to Apple’s iCloud, where data is not encrypted and is thus available to police armed with a valid search warrant.

Apparently Manafort did not set the encryption for his backup of the WhatsApp data. As you said, Apple cannot protect users from themselves. Apple especially cannot protect users from developers who neglect to turn on the encryption API by default for their Apps, which I thinks makes this a failing of WhatsApp.

24 posted on 08/17/2018 8:38:49 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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