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Who are the white nationalists?(Charlottesville)
wnd.com ^ | 8/10/2018 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 08/11/2018 7:24:32 AM PDT by rktman

So the white nationalists are coming back to Charlottesville, and once again we’re going to hear the standard media narrative that these bigots are “on the right.” Leave aside that Jason Kessler, the organizer of the original Charlottesville rally, was an Obama activist and an Occupy Wall Street guy. Never mind that Richard Spencer, the poster boy of white supremacy, reveals in a detailed interview in my new movie that he’s a progressive who supports nationalized health care and expanded centralized state, and whose favorite presidents are all Democrats.

We need to probe deeper to understand who these white nationalists are and what they are about. One of the few scholars to make a genuine attempt to study their movement is political scientist Carol Swain. Swain, who was featured in my film “Hillary’s America,” is one of the leading African-American scholars in the country. She has written two books, a detailed study of the white nationalist movement called “The New White Nationalism in America ” and the other consisting of searching interviews with its most prominent members.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; altright; charlottesville; dineshdsouza; dncbrownshirts; jasonkessler; ltroubleinstore; nazi; nazism; racism; richardspencer; rightvslieft; whitesupremacy
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To: Blue House Sue

Really?


61 posted on 08/11/2018 12:47:09 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: joshua c
Point taken. But the term was "white nationalist" the one used in accusing Trump so I used it for convenience. I believe there was a handful of self-styled neo-Nazis there too who were also opposed to the removal of the monuments. Trump at no time expressed kinship with them.
62 posted on 08/11/2018 12:49:54 PM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: WashingtonSource; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp
The evil of the contemporary Democratic Party is in its appeal to blame & envy--to imaginary grievances, like Eve's in Eden-- not that it is "identity politics." Most politics has always involved "identity." For much of our history, family identity with a particular party has been at least as important as ideology in voting patterns--absent a few periods when there was some major realignment.

And see my #53.

63 posted on 08/11/2018 12:56:56 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: rktman

bkmk


64 posted on 08/11/2018 1:07:00 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine. Even tho physically free, Tommy's not free yet. He's still facing charges.)
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To: Ohioan

Dinesh is projecting his brown mans resentments on my ancestors

It’s a fools logic and an extension of the demonization of whites

His real beef is England

He needs to get smacked with a Rudyard cricket bat

He’s got no sense of context and little gratitude


65 posted on 08/11/2018 1:08:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (Hanged not hung.)
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To: luvbach1

“The Left doesn’t acknowledge that not all of those who oppose removal of Confederate monuments are white nationalists”

And on anything Confederate Dinesh isn’t much different than the Left, if at all.


66 posted on 08/11/2018 1:17:08 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: wardaddy; rockrr; x; Ohioan; rktman
wardaddy: "The last redoubt for a traditional constitution loving America is more than anyone White People and it would be nice to convince others but per voting patterns it’s not encouraging."

Hardly, many "White People" don't give a d*mn about the Constitution, including majorities of some sub-groups, women & academics come to mind, and average working people are less concerned about constitutional niceties than about defending their jobs, communities & families.
Yes, they love Trump, but not because of his opinions on the Constitution.

At the same time plenty who are not from Northern European ancestry also love the Constitution and our nation.
Names like Scalia, Thomas, Cruz, Levin & D'Souza come to mind, though admittedly minorities in their own communities.
Still, we hear rumors of remarkable changes among African-Americans suggesting the real missing ingredient in many minorities is simply leadership -- they need strong voices defending what it means to be American.

Point is: "White Nationalism" is a ludicrous term, both indefinable and already co-opted by the Left as a pejorative.
Indeed the very definition of "conservative" and "Republican" includes "color-blind" and there's no good reason to change that.

wardaddy: "The fact you or I don’t like the term white nationalist is beside the point."

What's not "beside the point" is that the term "White Nationalism" is ludicrous and counter-productive.
There's no good reason to ever use it and plenty of reasons to stay well away from it.

67 posted on 08/11/2018 1:23:37 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: rktman
"White Nationalism" appears to be a Democrat front organization and concept." No amount of outing of the principals in the thing will change the public perception because no matter what the principals are or were will be noted in the MSM. It would take Donald Trump giving a speech detailing the connections and pasts of the leaders of this duckblind to get it through that these guys are socialists and communists, organizationally and substantially, and that White Nationalism is a Democrat and Leftist phenomenon sort of like the KKK.

Relatedly- Antifa is the modern day Democrat replacement or new face of the old KKK which was explicitly acknowledged to be the Democrat armed wing, the Democrats' enforcers. It is like the IRA's active "wing" in the Irish Troubles.

68 posted on 08/11/2018 1:32:24 PM PDT by arthurus (dfg)
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To: ronnie raygun
Ronnie Gauguin:" White people (who are the majority) are not allowed to congregate, protest or open their mouths about anything going on in their country, the opposition and the opposition media tells you don’t have a say, you are racist and a bigot... "

Complete nonsense because there are dozens of political groups you can join to express your opposition or advocacy to any particular set of issues.
The only thing you can't do, must not do, is join a group which says, in effect, "We want special privileges for White People."

But I'm nearly certain that was never your hope in the first place, right?

69 posted on 08/11/2018 1:37:59 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: WashingtonSource

You’ll notice that Dinesh mentions Jared Taylor in his article, whom he characterizes as a white nationalist. Yet Dinesh “borrowed” Taylor’s writing verbatim for his own book “The End of Racism”, so evidently Taylor’s ideas are only white nationalist if Taylor expresses them. They become mainstream conservatism and acceptable when Dinesh uses the same ideas without attribution.

Taylor and some others notified D’Souza’s publisher of his plagiarism and the first run of “The End of Racism” was recalled and pulped.

Here’s a bit of Jared Taylor’s memory of what Dinesh was doing:

“D`Souza actually went to comical lengths to cover any intellectual tracks that might lead to your servant. He simply had to cite an article I wrote for National Review (!!) about crime rates because, try as he might, he could find no one else who had ever made quite the same point. [May 16, 1994] In his citation, however, he violated his own bibliographic rules and failed to include the article`s author. He could not stand to mention my name even in a footnote.

“Whence this horror? D`Souza could not even admit he had cited one of my articles because he had decided to set me up in his book as Exhibit A in a gallery of “white racists”. He hoped to deflect the accusations of “racism” that were bound to come his way for writing a book that suggested—three years after mine did—that white oppression might not entirely account for the unfortunate state of blacks. It`s a contemptible tactic I have seen a hundred times: Someone who has edged off the reservation points to someone who has gone rather deeper into forbidden territory and shouts “racist, racist,” in the hope that the left will go baying after the real dissident, leaving the fake one unscathed.

“D`Souza got his comeuppance, however. His attempt to caricature me and others was such a childish fabrication, we had only to call it to the attention of his editor, who promptly ordered the entire first print run of the book destroyed, while D`Souza scrambled to make corrections. I still have my copy of the galleys, as proof of the rubbish he tried to peddle.

“Steve Sailer tells us that D`Souza is still up to his old tricks of filching people`s ideas without attribution. Bad habits die hard, it seems, and they go back a long way.

“I bet you will never guess who, in his days as a student journalist, managed such a scandalous mix of fiction and non-fiction that he earned the nick-name Distort D`Newsa.


70 posted on 08/11/2018 1:39:25 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: rktman

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All “white nationalists” are employees of George Scrotum Face Soros.

They invented a “group” to hate, and populated it themselves.

All fascists are socialists, and all socialists are fascists.
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71 posted on 08/11/2018 1:43:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Pelham

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Dinesh wants so badly to be “somebody.”
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72 posted on 08/11/2018 1:47:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rktman
You have the following choices, as to race: I am White.

You have the following choices, as to international national affiliation.

I am a Nationalist.

Put the two together, I am a White Nationalist. I do not believe in racism, white supremacy, Nazism or Fascism.

Somehow, and entirely on purpose, the News Misleadia has conflated the neutral term "White Nationalist" with Nazism or racism. This is an outright lie and a distortion, entirely premeditated, in order to shame White people who do not believe in Globalism into silence.

I will not comply.

73 posted on 08/11/2018 1:47:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The New York Times is a racist hate group. It is Propaganazism.)
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To: BroJoeK; ronnie raygun

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You put words in ronnie raygun’s mouth, so to speak, and then declare those words to be ‘nonsense.’
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74 posted on 08/11/2018 1:50:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Pelham; wardaddy; luvbach1; Ohioan
Pelham: " And on anything Confederate Dinesh isn’t much different than the Left, if at all. "

Sounds to me like D'Souza hit a nerve, struck too close to the truth and now those stuck are squealing.

Do you all deny that some so-called White Nationalists are nothing but progressive BLMs false flagging in white-face?
And while we're at it, what's the difference between "White Nationalism" and anybody else's legitimate nationalism?
If nothing important, then why violate basic color-blind principles for nothing?

75 posted on 08/11/2018 1:57:45 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor: "You put words in ronnie raygun’s mouth, so to speak, and then declare those words to be ‘nonsense.’ "

No, I quoted ronnie raygun's words exactly, then explained why they are nonsense, as is your response here.

76 posted on 08/11/2018 2:02:54 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK; Travis McGee; Pelham; Ohioan

I’ve already said Spencer is a plant

Mike Tubbs is not

He’s an Elohim City sort...hardcore.....I’ve known him a long time

He’d be good to have in your camp in a real war but he’s all in on ZOG and I don’t just don’t do that....

I have sharp differences with him despite sharing similar views of the pickle western civilization faces

What strikes a nerve is how easy some freepers and talk radio fall for Dinesh and who’s the worst racist tack as though that will win against out determined foe

This will end in bloodshed eventually

We will need Mike Tubbs more than Dinesh Desouza

No offense Dinesh

A wise freeper told me thst in a Civil war are you going to care that a man who was once a white supremacist shows up with ammo and help

No you won’t

Neither will you care if non whites share your cause and appreciation for traditional America as envisioned by the founders when the hot war starts with the progressives and interlopers

Btw....I don’t know if Tubbs is there this year

We haven’t spoken in 23 years


77 posted on 08/11/2018 2:10:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (Hanged not hung.)
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To: editor-surveyor; rktman
editor-surveyor: " “white nationalists” are employees of George Scrotum Face Soros.
They invented a “group” to hate, and populated it themselves.
All fascists are socialists, and all socialists are fascists. "

Sorry, my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning lately, so I can't tell if you are joking or serious.
If serious then I commend your astute perception.
If joking... well... {sigh}

78 posted on 08/11/2018 2:11:27 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: rktman

FReepers outed the fake “alt right racists” at Charlottesville last year as being Obama State Dept employees, former CNN reporters and former Occupy protesters. Paid fakers.


79 posted on 08/11/2018 2:13:32 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: BroJoeK; Ohioan; Pelham; Travis McGee

Did i invent the term white nationalist?

No our enemies did.

You’re and mine...I hope yours anyhow.

I don’t fall for freaking out over it, that’s what they want.....Dees and Potok...anything deemed white besides Levis after Easter is deemed perjorative

More on Tubbs....to give u a better picture

Now realize we were buddies ....serious buddies...after a few beers one night he lamented to me that if the shooting war starts and i haven’t come around I’d have to meet the lamppost first...

that’s Turner diaries allegory

Because I knew better and refused to accept the it

Per him lol

I recall arguing Holocaust numbers with him....it was like 800,000 or 6 million...

I’m like Michael 800,000 is still a damn lot partner even if one agreed with the revision

We diverged not long after that ..despite his shortcomings he’s pretty tough and knows his tools really well..... even at 58 I think he is now

He’s a couple years younger than me.

Another tidbit which is coincidental considering Dinesh

Guess who is behind all these lawsuits trying to prevent white nationalist or whatever you want to call them from pushing back on ANTIFA in public ..

a left wing DC progressive legal action group financed and headed by guess who?

Nope not who you think.....

Very rich left wing Indian Americans..red dot not casinos

Figure that.


80 posted on 08/11/2018 2:25:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (Hanged not hung.)
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