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Reading Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier. It Explains Today's Leftist Fascism Prescient
alibris great independent book seller ^ | 08.11.18 | chickensoup

Posted on 08/11/2018 5:35:15 AM PDT by Chickensoup

Just finished The Road to Wigan Pier a book Orwell wrote about leftism and fascism during the 30's in Great Britan.

Chilton Williamson from CHRONICLES had recommended it in the magazine's What the Editor's are Reading section.

Good selection. This is a discussion of class, industrialization, and Orwell's perspective of what happens when humans are treated as disposable. Interestingly, during the industrialization of Great Britain, there were many thrown out of work and lots of talk, as there is today about the dole (today read guaranteed income) being the way to allow people to be "free."

Many other parallels with today and a scathing indictment of socialism.

If you are a politics and culture kind of person, don't miss it.

I so do wish there was a reading club that focused on political cultural books in my area.


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KEYWORDS: books; nonfiction; orwell; reading; wigan
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Chilton Williamson from CHRONICLES had recommended it in the magazine's What the Editor's are Reading section.

Good selection. This is a discussion of class, industrialization, and Orwell's perspective of what happens when humans are treated as disposable. Interestingly, during the industrialization of Great Britain, there were many thrown out of work and lots of talk, as there is today about the dole (today read guaranteed income) being the way to allow people to be "free."

Many other parallels with today and a scathing indictment of socialism.

If you are a politics and culture kind of person, don't miss it.

I so do wish there was a reading club that focused on political cultural books in my area.

1 posted on 08/11/2018 5:35:15 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

Just so we are clear. Orwell WAS a socialist.


2 posted on 08/11/2018 5:37:35 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Maxine Waters for House Minority Leader!!)
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To: Chickensoup

bookmark


3 posted on 08/11/2018 5:38:40 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Artemis Webb

Yes he was. But it is an interesting indictment of socialism and its pretentions.

You will recognize the people he talks about in the here and now. It holds up beautifully almost 100 years later.


4 posted on 08/11/2018 5:39:02 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Chickensoup

Good post. This book is now on my To-Read list.

Agree that Orwell is indeed a prescient genius. Recently reread “1984”. During the chapter where Winston Smith is brain-washed by the State to believe that 2+2=5, I had an epiphany. This part of the book illustrates the power of the State to make the individual believe the unbelievable.

Most people would like to believe that such coercive power is pure science fiction. Yet we can see something similar happening today with the Trans-sexual debate. Many people now profess to believe that a Trans man or woman IS actually of the sex they claim to be, instead of their true (biological) sex. Thus, IMHO, this proves that Orwell was exactly right about the power of the State (including the media) to make people believe the unbelievable.


5 posted on 08/11/2018 5:51:43 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: Chickensoup

bmp


6 posted on 08/11/2018 6:00:40 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: rbg81

Orwell was extremely smart.

But we have not moved so much toward 1984 as we have moved toward Huxley’s Brave New World.

In Brave New World, the state does not rely on harsh Orwellian stomping on faces. Instead, it controls all the institutions of society, and people are raised to believe all is well, right, and moral. They never have a means of suspecting anything different.

We are moving much closer to Brave New World than to 1984.

Of course, the problem is that the State has to control nearly everything. Our digital technology has made that control both more difficult, and easier, if the State aggressively censors the Internet.


7 posted on 08/11/2018 6:01:24 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Chickensoup
I tend to avoid books about politics, but may have to check this one out

There are some passages that nibble at the edges of British socialism in L.T.C. Rolt's* autobiography that I found interesting, specifically when Kerr, Stewart & Co. was shuttered and later when the railroads were nationalized. "The aristocracy or the mob" makes for a dismal future.

Mr. niteowl77

*Rolt is best known for his books on engineering history and his work in preserving British canal and railroad history.

8 posted on 08/11/2018 6:05:55 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: rbg81

I had an epiphany. This part of the book illustrates the power of the State to make the individual believe the unbelievable.

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I do agree with you to an extent. The emotionally stupid walk along in lockstep. Those who disagree are punished by the state through Human Rights Tribunals.

It is interesting, that behind closed doors people talk about how much of a lie the whole trans thing is. The state and the tribunals have instilled such fear.


9 posted on 08/11/2018 6:10:54 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: marktwain

We are moving much closer to Brave New World than to 1984.

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I would say we are combining both.

the harshness of 1984 is in the legal system, while the social engineering is more Brave New World.


10 posted on 08/11/2018 6:12:57 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Chickensoup
THE ROAD TO WIGAN PIER

Available as a free PDF download here:

https://libcom.org/files/wiganpier.pdf

In-depth review available here:

http://central.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/the_road_to_wigan_pier


11 posted on 08/11/2018 6:14:51 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. ORourke)
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To: niteowl77

You may enjoy a book I just read called The Perfectionists. About precision and accuracy as a catalyst in the modern manufacturing world.

Fascinating.


12 posted on 08/11/2018 6:14:58 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Chickensoup
An original hard working dole recipient. {For the 'yutes' this is Andy Capp and he was a cartoon staple for years, until the left was no longer able to laugh at themselves.}


13 posted on 08/11/2018 6:17:47 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Kill all mooselimb, terrorist savages, with extreme prejudice! Deus Vult!)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Good review and thanks for the link.


14 posted on 08/11/2018 6:18:17 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: marktwain

Our digital technology has made that control both more difficult, and easier, if the State aggressively censors the Internet.


Once you turn over censorship to AI algorithms (vs. actual people) it will become very feasible.


15 posted on 08/11/2018 6:24:47 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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Speaking of being "brain-washed by the State to believe that 2+2=5," have you seen this?

Alternative Math

16 posted on 08/11/2018 6:26:17 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Artemis Webb
Just so we are clear. Orwell WAS a socialist.

So many (Hemmingway, Orwell) were back then...more because it was fashionable and anti-establishment. Most got "woke" in various once they got to know Castro, Stalin.

Orwell's epiphany was the brutality oppression that came after the Russian revolution.

17 posted on 08/11/2018 6:26:46 AM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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What should be made clear is that this book was written in early 1936, before he went to fight in the Spanish Civil War in late 1936... when he only knew the problems of English poverty and when Orwell still believed in utopian socialism.

It was before he went to Spain and saw the evil trap of the communist "solution"... before he was enlightened by his 1st hand on the ground experience of the tyranny of socialism - even when you were fighting on their side. It is from this later real 1st hand experience, AFTER "The Road to Wigan Pier" that Orwell wrote the the works (1984, Animal Farm, etc.) that he is now known for.

18 posted on 08/11/2018 6:28:49 AM PDT by drpix
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To: rbg81

Once you turn over censorship to AI algorithms (vs. actual people) it will become very feasible.
________________

everyone carries their government behavior monitor in their pocket and loves it.

Some set it up in their houses.

Fools.


19 posted on 08/11/2018 6:30:29 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: USS Alaska

Love it!


20 posted on 08/11/2018 6:30:54 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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