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Military veterans to Kremlin: Come clean about mission in Syria
Reuters ^ | July 5, 2018 | Maria Tsvetkova

Posted on 07/06/2018 2:08:32 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

- Russian military veterans urged the government on Thursday to acknowledge it sends private military contractors to fight in Syria, in a bid to secure financial and medical benefits for the fighters and their families.

The statement breaks years of public silence about a secret operation involving thousands of Russian civilians fighting in Syria on the side of President Bashar al-Assad whom Moscow has been helping militarily since September 2015.

“For three years already, we have been receiving complaints and appeals from Russian citizens who were injured in Syria and cannot undergo medical treatment in Russia,” said the statement, signed by retired Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, retired Colonel Vladimir Petrov and Yevgeni Shabayev, a Cossack leader.

“Soldiers and officers of these combat units have no social, medical or financial support from the state ... We demand that the status of combat participants in private military companies be recognised,” the statement said.

The Kremlin denies such an operation exists.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: assad; contractors; mercenaries; propaganda; russia; syria

1 posted on 07/06/2018 2:08:32 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Civilians / Veterans. Can’t have it both ways. Poorly written propaganda.


2 posted on 07/06/2018 2:30:33 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Hugh the Scot
The appeal was made by veteran military officials, not civilians.

In February, U.S. forces killed several hundred Russian mercenaries in Syria, and it's because Russia didn't factor their presence in their prior communications with us.

Civilians / Veterans. Can’t have it both ways.

Tell that to the Kremlin.

3 posted on 07/06/2018 2:43:54 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The whole idea of using mercenaries is to avoid the costs using troops entails. We have companies that provide this service.


4 posted on 07/06/2018 3:04:48 PM PDT by BBell (es-tu stupide):>()
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To: BBell

We killed them but Russia didn’t respond. Getting weird. Contractors must be volunteers so there should be no anger at the Government when they’re shot. Maybe a picture of their dead carcass would change minds. Pressure works.


5 posted on 07/06/2018 3:09:02 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

No. They should be pressing the US government to come clean as to who the US is supporting!


6 posted on 07/06/2018 3:20:18 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET; BBell; sergeantdave

Technically, mercenary fighting is not legal by Russian law, but as of today July 6th:

“The Kremlin will consider legalizing mercenary groups”
https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/07/06/the-kremlin-will-consider-legalizing-mercenary-groups

Enough families in towns scattered across Russia have lost loved ones in Syria, and of course it’s sad when they don’t get official (military) burials. Most understand what’s happening, but not to the point of mounting a challenge - so it’s a big deal that these military vets said anything at all. Mercenaries were drawn to Syria due to lack of employment opportunities at home.

- sergeantdave, not saying Reuters deserves a reward for their reporting, but these realities are also repeated by the likes of Jim Mattis, Mike Pompeo etc...

Mike Pompeo: Russia ‘Doing Nothing’ to defeat ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpOVcC6co2U

Jim Mattis on Russian Mercenaries in Syria: “I ordered their annihilation”
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/mattis-russian-mercenaries-syria-ordered-annihilation/


7 posted on 07/06/2018 3:23:48 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“private military contractors”

Isn’t that the same as:

Academi is an American private military company founded in 1997 by former Navy SEAL officer Erik Prince as Blackwater, renamed as Xe Services in 2009 and now known as Academi since 2011 after the company was acquired by a group of private investors

?


8 posted on 07/06/2018 3:29:34 PM PDT by McGruff (We must accept this result and look to the future. - Hillary's concession speech)
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To: McGruff; SgtHooper
Academi is an American private military company founded in 1997 by former Navy SEAL officer Erik Prince as Blackwater, renamed as Xe Services in 2009 and now known as Academi since 2011 after the company was acquired by a group of private investors.

The Russia-one I am aware of is called "Wagner group" mainly funded by oligarch and Putin associate Yevgeny Prigozhin. Maybe he was inspired by "Academi."

9 posted on 07/06/2018 3:34:28 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I believe the Kremlin is quite aware that mercenary activities are illegal in Russia, but I’ll remind them if you like.

Looks like Russia has her share of leftist military “officials” too... I wonder if he’s their own John Kerry.

Poorly written propaganda.


10 posted on 07/06/2018 3:49:20 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

the little green men are real after all

Puttie’s got some ‘splainin’ to do


11 posted on 07/06/2018 8:31:30 PM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: Hugh the Scot
Hugh the Scot, there is no "Kerry wing" and the word "liberal" in Russia does not translate directly to the American version. Surely we know that their political landscape does not find their mirror in ours and neither does their economic system, form of govt, and history.

Though one can argue their Syria military campaign rather resembles an American Neo-Conservative intervention. Albeit without the "democracy" tagline.

The Kremlin is often criticized by the liberal opposition for its foreign military campaigns but rarely faces objections from Russia’s military elite, which is generally happy that Moscow is in a standoff with the West. - Maria Tsteksova

The military elite rarely stands up to the Kremlin, that's why it's a big deal they said anything at all.

12 posted on 07/06/2018 9:37:40 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Wish you could reply to what’s posted instead of frothing over your imaginings. I never used the words “liberal” or “Kerry wing”...but that’s okay. I’ve got you figured out. I’m sure others here do as well.


13 posted on 07/07/2018 2:14:49 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Likewise.


14 posted on 07/07/2018 2:21:43 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You would not recognize me, but knowing thou art Legion I will hold my doubt in abeyance.


15 posted on 07/07/2018 4:12:50 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Hugh the Scot
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - Isaiah 5:20
16 posted on 07/07/2018 4:19:27 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Matthew 4:6


17 posted on 07/07/2018 4:32:46 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The Russia-one I am aware of is called "Wagner group" mainly funded by oligarch and Putin associate Yevgeny Prigozhin. Maybe he was inspired by "Academi."

In other words you're familiar with Russian para-military structures but not American ones, even when they're described to you...which foreign country are you posting from?

18 posted on 07/07/2018 5:33:40 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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