Posted on 07/06/2018 8:50:49 AM PDT by Javeth
“It’s doubtful Scott would be on board with Trump’s judicial picks either”
That’s EXTREME fear. The only ‘Republican’ that I can remember whoever voted for less than 90% of a Republican president’s picks was Lincoln Chaffee, and Scott is NOWHERE close to Lincoln Chaffee.
You guys have to learn to win first. Florida is a purple state, we don’t win Senate seats by running people who talk and act like Roy Moore there. If we want Trump’s judges STOPPED DEAD, then we vote for the Democrat, or sit it out.
I, for one, want to see Trump’s judges CONFIRMED, and if it means someone a bit to the left of Roy Moore or the Sheriff, so be it.
I was in same boat when my company started to do significant business down in Florida, it’s a natural hub for import-export and after the disaster of Obama’s first two years, Rick Scott at least seemed promising at first. But just like Marco Rubio, he courted the support of the Tea Party, then turned around and stabbed them and the conservative movement. For most part it wasn’t quite as obvious as Rubio, who put his RINO treason on display by joining the Gang of 8 to push the pro-amnesty 2013 mass immigration cheap labor bill. With Scott it began to come out more gradually with his 2nd amendment betrayal, his more and more business unfriendly policies esp for small businesses, his odd veto of a bill to reform Florida’s corrupt alimony laws that serve no one but the Democrat trial lawyer class, his coddling of criminals and then, in the ultimate betrayal, his support of amnesty and the h1b and mass immigration.
As irritating as Scott’s other RINO backstabbing was, I could still have given him grudging support if he at least stayed consistent with the wishes of the base on the two core issues of gun rights and mass immigration. Whatever his back-sliding on the other issues, those are the two issues where a Republican absolutely cannot betray the base. But Scott chose to betray us on both. My conservative friends and relatives in Florida absolutely will not vote for him if he’s nominated, he’s toxic to the party’s chances in November because he’ll cause conservatives to stay home.
Rick Scott supported Trump well before anyone else did. He may have a few warts, but he’s 1000x better than re-electing Bill Nelson.
Oh brother. So you want us to vote for Nelson? You liberals are nuts. I agree it was dumb to separate the kids. Put them all in cages together. What’s wrong with that?
I agree with you. There are VERY possibly two more judges to come. We need to hold both the house and the senate.
The problem again is it’s not just Trump’s picks, in practice judicial nominees to a particular federal circuit tend to come from recommendations of the regional party, and if Scott were a Senator, that means that he and Rubio would have a big say in the potential judge nominees that would reach Trump’s desk. So it’s not so much an issue of whether Scott would vote to confirm, it’s that the judges he and Rubio would recommend would be RINO traitors themselves. This is what led to the David Souter disaster, remember Souter was a popular Republican nominee and he received strong support from Senate Republicans backing Bush’s picks. The problem came earlier, in the way that RINO Republicans sought out and recommended Souter in the first place. Presidents are busy and don’t have time to research and study every single judicial nominee let alone a pool of candidates leading to possible nominees, they rely on recommendations from prominent regional party members. That’s why having a RINO Senator from a major state like Florida would be so damaging, including for Trump’s goals of remaking the judiciary and moving away from liberal judicial activism. Even more so since with Rubio, Florida already has a corrupt, backstabbing RINO traitor Senator as it is, on top of Grahamnesty in South Carolina to add further problems to the recommendation of judges from what should be one of our most solidly conservative regions.
And the insanity rolls on...
The Republican party is truly the part of the stupid.
1. We turn on our own at the drop of a hat. Democrats don’t.
2. We argue amongst ourselves AFTER the primaries whether or not we will vote for our candidate in the general. Democrats don’t.
3. We question the “purity” of our conservative credentials in our discussions. Democrats march in lockstep.
This might allow us to claim some lofty moral high ground, but without seats in the House and Senate, it is all for naught.
So, before you post some inflammatory rhetoric aimed at a Republican seeking office, ask yourself, “Am I helping a Democrat win?”
I agree, but Scott is not the candidate to help us bring that about. His betrayals on the two core issues of mass immigration amnesty and gun rights are pure poison for the entire Republican delegation in Florida. From the people I know alone there are dozens of conservatives who would stay home if Scott’s on the ticket, remember most voters don’t consider the level of strategy you’re bringing up, they vote based on a candidate’s affinity with their stands on core issues. Scott is a major turn-off to conservative base voters on the two biggest issues that really count, and he’d drag down the entire Florida Republican Party in the process. A more reliable conservative on the ticket for Senate, especially one standing with Trump in opposing amnesty, would have the opposite effect, rallying the base to turn out in November for conservative candidates up and down the ticket.
So do you have a secret candidate?
Trump has pointed out decades of failed immigration policies and he said Congress must act to change laws that require the separation of families.
The separation of families issue needs to go hand in hand with Congress’ failure to act. Advocating for separation is a sure fire way to crash and burn his campaign.
Scott or Nelson, take your pick.
Can’t believe the insanity on this thread.
This isn’t about purity, there are certain issues where a Republican candidate CANNOT betray the base, because doing so would bring about conditions that would fundamentally change the makeup of the country and thus overwhelm us on every other issue.
Amnesty, the h1b and mass immigration is one of those issues. A Republican candidate absolutely cannot betray the base on that issue, because doing so would make it so that none of the other issues would matter. Even if he was conservative on every single other issue, backstabbing Trump on immigration and supporting mass immigration and the h1b would result in such a profound demographic change that the US would, within a decade, become another socialist Venezuela, with a tiny group of elites in gated neighborhoods happily flooding the country with 3rd world cheap labor that votes for socialism, squashing the middle class, small businesses and the country’s traditional population in the process. I have voted for “non-pure” Republicans in the past even when I’ve vehemently disagreed with them on other issues. I’ve voted for Republicans who’ve been wishy washy on Obamacare, or taxes or global warming, even though I’ve bitterly disagreed with them, I’ve understood they have to work in a system that isn’t ideal.
But the line has to be drawn at amnesty and mass immigration, because any Republican who betrays us there strikes at the most fundamental part of the conservative movement and the country as a whole, and their betrayal on this one issue means all the other issues don’t matter because the resulting demographic change would shortly overwhelm all our votes at the polls. This is how Hugo Chavez got and retained power. Meanwhile the h1b amnesty is gutting the country of the very jobs and careers that most reliably allow Americans to support their families in the heartland, it’s a kind of demographic warfare mixed with economic warfare against the American people.
his is why any candidate who betrays us on amnesty and mass immigration must be fought against, it’s too fundamental and dangerous to the survival of the nation to tolerate such a candidate. Again it’s not a purity test at all, I’ve voted for dozens of “impure” Republicans and even straight RINO’s before if they were better than the alternative. But no Republican can be supported if they support mass immigration, the h1b and mass amnesty, and our opposition to such candidates is the way that we enforce this demand, essential to our very survival, on our representatives against the flow of money from the cheap labor lobby. Because this is about our very survival, and any bending on the mass immigration issue would make all other issues moot. Thus the zero tolerance policy, and making sure our representatives do not betray us on this. Besides, the Florida primary hasn’t happened in yet, and part of the reason for opposing Scott is that he is so toxic to the conservative base. His very presence on the ticket, with his betrayals on DACA and amnesty, would endanger every other Republican on the ticket in the state.
Trump is also getting his recommendations from the Federalist Society, so I don’t worry about the judges.
But I am MUCH MORE WORRIED about our side enabling Shuemer to control the Senate and leaving AT LEAST two Supreme Court seats open for the Democrats to fill the next time they get a chance.
By the way, if I brought my kids with me when I went to commit a criminal offense, I would expect to be separated from my children when I was arrested. So I fail to see where Scott’s moral outrage is coming from....
Unless he just doesn’t care about America or having laws that should be enforced. Which is probably the case.
Anyone wanting a liberal senator over a Republican Senator is a liberal to me. You want to destroy the senate majority.
The problem is this isn’t just one little deviation on Scott’s part, it’s part of a broad pattern where he’s shown himself to be in favor of amnesty and mass immigration just like Lindsey Graham and Florida’s other RINO, Marco Rubio. This is the one defining issue where a candidate CANNOT betray the base because it would overwhelm us on every other issue. The Florida primary hasn’t happened yet which is why it’s all the more important to replace Scott with someone who isn’t mimicking McCain, Graham and Ryan on the amnesty issue. Scott is Nelson’s best friend, for the whole Florida Dem Party in fact because his amnesty backstabbing is toxic up and down the ticket, in fact the best way to make sure Nelson and the Florida Dems run the whole tables is to have Scott there on the ticket. There are some RINO’s who are so awful that even if elected they damage us even more than a Dem, for example given a choice, it would have been best to oust McCain and Grahamnesty decades ago. Even in the worst-case scenario of a Democrat ousting them in one election cycle, the net result would have been better because a genuine conservative, especially on immigration and gun rights, would have shortly come along to knock out the Democrat in such solidly conservative states, so that rather than a RINO traitor like McCain on the immigration issue that’s most fundamental to the very survival of American conservatism, we would have had a real conservative within one election cycle. But this isn’t even something to worry about in Scott’s case because he’s already toxic to the whole ticket, and we have a chance to replace him with the primary coming up. With a traitor like Marco Rubio already in there, nominating Scott would be a disaster up and down the whole ticket.
I agree, which is all the more reason to get a conservative challenger in there to take the reigns now before the primary next month. Scott is toxic to the entire GOP ticket in Florida, including to House candidates and our candidates for state races. Again it’s not a purity thing, ultimately voters on practical and they’ll support a conservative who’s at least solid on the core issues even if they deviate here and there. The problem is, amnesty and mass immigration is absolutely THE core issue for the nation and conservative movement’s survival, and it’s so fundamental that RINO’s on this issue turn off the base to the entire party and encourage conservatives to stay home. Scott’s pro-amnesty stance is poison to the whole ticket. It wasn’t just a few statements here and there, it’s the fact that he joined in the pile-on in response to what even he knows is a complete media fabrication, and that he’s been an amnesty shill before by pushing the Curbelo discharge petition and caving to the cheap labor lobby. He may not be at the same level of treason as Lindsey Graham, but he’s already shown his true colors on mass immigration and that kind of stand, especially with the Trump and MAGA revolution, is toxic to the changes of Republicans throughout the state.
Scott is about to lose my vote.
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