Posted on 06/21/2018 5:35:03 PM PDT by familyop
The drug, which is legal for medical use in the majority of US states, is mainly prescribed to ease pain. But this new research conducted in Colorado - which was the first state to legalize - suggests that short-term pain relief could weaken the body's resilience to pain over time. The researchers, from the Swedish Medical Center, Colorado, analyzed around 260 people who were involved in minor vehicle accidents and admitted to trauma centers. Of these, 54 tested positive for recent marijuana use while 16 claimed they used the drug more or less every day.
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I AM in Florida.
Twenty years ago, I was called to a deposition in a criminal matter. The Public Defender excused herself to meet a boyfriend. Surprised at the interruption, I glanced at the stenographer. The stenographer said, "This is a regular thing. They get together every day to snort cocaine."
Of course, Rick James would tell us that "Cocaine is a helluva drug". 'Course, Rick James is also dead. :-/
What killed my neighbor? Using the logic of marijuana-users, oxygen killed him. :(
Yeah, was that 7.6 milligrams of Fentanyl or 7.6 milligrams of Tramadol?
TRASH SCIENCE !!
The same cast of marijuana advocates shows up on any thread that mentions marijuana. Some claim that it does absolutely no harm and others claim that marijuana has “saved their life”. Others claim that it does less damage and has more positive benefits than alcohol, tobacco, and fast food.
The few people here who comment who have spent many years actually assisting persons with substance abuse problems are usually shouted down by this group. Thank you for continuing to share your knowledge and observations despite this.
Marijuana has been legal for “medical use here in Washington State since 1998 but there were “head shops” openly selling pot smoking accessories for two decades before that. So the attitudes have been very permissive toward pot here for over 40 years.
Those involved in the treatment of substance abusers can give a long list of issues associated with habitual marijuana use. I have had many close personal friends and family who are regular pot smokers. I have witnessed first hand over the past half century the problems and difficulties experienced by users. Some of these people actually are successful by most people’s standards.
I have a cousin now in his early 60s who was a very “successful” liberal politician. He was a pothead in high school. We used to baby sit his kids on a regular basis. My wife was in his class in high school. At their 20th reunion he was at the top of his game and there was a lineup of classmates around him the entire night. But after another 20 years all the pot use has caught up with him and he is having a lot of cognitive and other health issues. These days he is a nasty old burned out shell of his former self.
I have known marijuana users for over 50 years and responded to medical calls from people with substance abuse problems for 25 years. In all that time not even one of those that I came into contact with who were getting marijuana for medical purposes was really legit from any logical standpoint. The symptoms that were supposedly being treated were typically the same as those associated with long term pot use.
It reminded me a great deal of showing up to assist one of our regulars having difficulty breathing. We would open the front door and be greeted by a heavy cloud of tobacco smoke. The tobacco helped keep them calm so we typically did not force them to put out their cigarette until we opened up the oxygen kit. Within a year or two they would be dead having smoked almost to their dying breath.
Medical marijuana users are typically using it “treat” anxiety or some other psychological or neurological disorder not pain or nausea as is often cited here. Yet long term marijuana users typically develop anxiety or some other psychological or neurological disorder as an almost direct result of marijuana use. And don’t get me started on the other physiological problems that are caused by long term marijuana use.
I don’t need to tell you... you have no doubt seen it first hand as I have. But if you try to list the issues associated here or other places you are attacked and called various names from “prohibitionist” to much worse. But please keep sharing your experiences anyway. The ones who need to hear it the most are the ones attacking you.
One other thing that I find interesting is that people who smoke or drink, people who eat to much fast food, and people who use other illegal drugs... almost all of these people will all admit that they know that what they are doing is bad for them. Most of them will tell you that they either want to stop or are trying to stop. Marijuana users on the other hand will typically defend its use to their dying breath. They will typically not admit that it is bad for them or anyone else. They will deny the validity of any study or other evidence that it has any harmful consequences. Some will even advocate giving it to children for not just as a “medical” treatment but as a nutritional supplement and treatment for hyperactivity.
Yep, it was called Primo back when I did this too.
Not something I am proud of, but it happened, and I am honest.
You and I are not the same people we were at 18.
If I was, I'd currently be smuggling lobster out of the restaurant I worked at in my socks.
But then there's the statement, "Most people in prison have smoked pot frequently." That one is true.
All of which leads to what conclusion?
Good point. It's very plausible that the reason for what this study observed is that the sort of people who enjoy opioids for their own sake are overrepresented among regular marijuana users.
The original study: https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13037-018-0163-3
You probably have no idea what it's like to be in Pain 24/7/365 (or 366 in a Leap Year) year after year.
It's a real pain in the A$$ these days just to get a RX for Opioid Pain Meds. One has to go to a "Pain Clinic" where EACH Monthly visit is $240.00, a Drug Test is $75.00 and then the Rx can cost between $100.00 and $6000.00 depending what Drug it is for 30 days supply.
There are some of Us in Pain that can at least get enough relief with Opioids to be able to do the simple things in life like change the Grandson's diaper, play with Him, make dinner because one can now safely control a knife, unlock a door with the key, use a pen because now it can be held, walk around... I can list many other things that you take for granted.
As far as smoking weed I've done My own testing and found there is minimal Pain relief for the price. For others results may vary .
Wow.. what a wasted life.. glad you weren’t wrapped up in it. Too many infiltrates on this site any more.. glad to share stories with a real freeper. I had someone comment babies born pos for pot is the same as orange pekoe.. def not a true life affirming freeper.
“On causation, consider a personality that is more likely to start getting high and continue getting high.”
Bad kids commit crimes of theft and violence, bad kids have sex at a young age, and bad kids smoke and drink. Correlation is not causality.
“Then consider the fact that the weed changes emotions and perceptions. Consider that getting high lowers inhibitions”
I think you really overestimate the potency of the substance. Think Earl Grey, not PCP.
“and often accompanies alcohol use to take the edge of paranoia off and make the high more mellow.”
Actually, I think people drink and smoke because the alcohol greatly increases the intensity of intoxication. Pot alone is just not strong enough for someone who desires to be extremely intoxicated. Picture Earl Grey with double caffeine. How much would you have to drink to equal an injection of amphetamine? 10 gallons, maybe?
Any way you cut it, it doesn’t approach the level of a junkie’s dose of heroin.
“Then consider the addiction”
Back in the 60s and 70s, everyone correctly understood that pot is not addictive. While I was overseas, this fallacy was floated—probably by prohibitionists—and seems to have fooled a lot of people.
It ain’t. Not no way, not no how. Period.
“and the kind of company a head might be keeping after a few years of frequent use.”
Where prohibition puts users in contact with black-marketeers, there might be a tiny bit of truth to that. The many professionals and white-collar people who smoke, however, do not start hanging around with scumbag slum-rats. The era of mau-mauing the flak catchers is over.
I just came back from a mandated medical board meeting on opioid prescribing. It was reported that opioids have no studies done that show that opioids are indicated for long term managment of pain. 62% of patients got good pain relief from a combination of ibuprofen and acetaminophen. There is a phenomenon called opioid hyperalgesia which sensitizes the patient to pain..
62% of patients got good pain relief from a combination of ibuprofen and acetaminophen
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Interesting. the makers of ibuprofen products are really backing off on recommended doses because of cardiac compromises. The standard 400mg dose has been lowered to 200mg, and those biggie 800mg does along with 1000mg Tylenol are no longer recommended. Those were the dosings that were recommended 3 days post op for many people.
The doses quoted at the meeting was for the lower 200-400 of ibuprofen and 500 acetaminophen.
500-100 will get it right in a minute
“The doses quoted at the meeting was for the lower 200-400 of ibuprofen and 500 acetaminophen.”
I have been taking these meds,when needed,4 at a time,since 1998-a damned miracle IMHO.
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The practice has changed in the past ten years.
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