Posted on 05/25/2018 9:28:04 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
I still disagree. Perhaps you should read the English translation in this screenshot, which says they "just" shot down the aircraft. Again, this communication is dated 17-7-14, the same day as the shootdown.
That’s what I remember. And also that the plane was in a no fly zone.
Here is the press conference from the Joint Investigation Team - investigation MH17(starts at 33:00) check out the animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RdcrNNcCS0
Well here come the Globalists warmongers again trying to start a war with Russia based on a lie. Everyone knows it was the Ukraine that would gain from this and Russia would lose from it. 2014 was when Ukraine was trying to get the U.S. in a war with Russia.
Well here they come again These are the same clowns that said President Trump works for Putin and stole the election in 2016.
It’s all lies. It’s all they ever do is lie, lie and lie.
Retired intelligence professionals say in Twitter that Obama knew all this the week after it happened, but chose to do nothing and keep his knowledge secret.
Russia lies about everything.
The accusations came a day after international investigators announced that the missile system that brought down the plane was whisked into Ukraine from a Russian military unit. Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said “the government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable.”
Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, rejected the accusations. He said Friday that Russia has been barred from the investigation and thus can't trust its results. He also charged that Ukraine contributed to the tragedy by failing to ban civilian air traffic over the war zone.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/05/25/latest-russia-denies-responsibility-for-downing-mh17.html
Social media is an extremely poor place to go looking for 'proof' of anything, its second or third hand hearsay at best and deliberate misinformation at worst.
Anyone could have seen or heard about the plane going down over the war zone and posted about it on social media.
Except the USN stepped up and took responsibility once it was clear what happened. Like the Ukraine shoot down, there was active shooting going down during the incident. The Vincennes was actively engaging Iranian Gun Boats during the missile shot. I have a couple friends who were on Vincennes and in CIC when the incident happened. Initially jubilant, having sank and destroyed multiple Iranian Gun Boats and shot down an Iranian "F-14", they were crushed when it became clear what happened and how badly a couple watch standers screwed up.
Fog of war sucks, and flying a passenger jet into an active combat zone is insanity. Still, Russia should step up and take responsibility, pay the families and hold appropriate people accountable.
And why were the posts scrubbed after it was revealed the aircraft was civilian?
A joint investigation between Bellingcat, The Insider, and McClatchy DC Bureau has conclusively identified another key person of interest in the ongoing investigation of the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17). The person known as ’Andrey Ivanovich’, a.k.a. call sign ‘Orion’, is in fact a high-ranking Russian GRU officer named Oleg Vladimirovich Ivannikov.
Bellingcat is a website founded by the British citizen journalist Eliot Higgins. Bellingcat publishes the findings of citizen journalist investigations into war and the criminal underground.
Basically a bunch on Internet keyboard warriors. Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet.
“Russia should step up and take responsibility”
How about those who directed the plane to flyover an active war zone? Those passengers never would have died that didn’t happen. Now that’s criminal.
SOVIET propagandists during the cold war were trained in a tactic that their western interlocutors nicknamed “whataboutism”. Any criticism of the Soviet Union (Afghanistan, martial law in Poland, imprisonment of dissidents, censorship) was met with a “What about...” (apartheid South Africa, jailed trade-unionists, the Contras in Nicaragua, and so forth).
read more:
https://www.economist.com/node/10598774
Part of this attack is the reputation of Malaysia Airlines, but hundreds of planes chose to flew over this area during the week before the shooting, with the most frequent flyer being Aeroflot. Malaysian Airlines was only the 5th most frequent behind such reputable airline like Lufthansa.
About the Iran civil airliner shotdown, America has never accepted third party investigation.
American government officially blamed the shotdown on a psychological phenomenon called “scenario fulfillment”.....
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