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Ukraine should blow up Putin's Crimea bridge
Washington Examiner ^ | May 15, 2018 | Tom Rogan

Posted on 05/20/2018 4:54:33 AM PDT by McGruff

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“In 1932-1933 Ukraine experienced the Holodomor “Extermination by hunger” or “Killing by Starvation”) which was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic that killed up to 7.5 million Ukrainians.”


2013:

“Putin said Stalin deserves statues in his honor”

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131219/185734707/Putin-Says-Stalin-No-Worse-Than-Cunning-Oliver-Cromwell.html
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“the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century” -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...

“World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin’s State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the ‘greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.’...”

“The more I see and read about Mr. Putin, in power since 1999, and his ‘managed democracy,’ the more apprehensive I become about the future of Russia and the safety of its neighbors.

If Putin believes that the dissolution of the Soviet Union into 15 independent states represents the ‘greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,’ then it follows that Putin might well believe he should do something to repair the loss...”
http://web.archive.org/web/20090415000000*/http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html
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“The demise of the Soviet Union was the ‘greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century’,” Putin said in 2005.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11102.30640.0.0/asia/moscow-puts-the-soviet-squeeze-on-neighbor-nations


41 posted on 05/20/2018 6:24:44 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: Stingray51

...none?


42 posted on 05/20/2018 6:30:21 AM PDT by billakay
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To: ETL
Context, my friend. Communism notwithstanding (and indeed it is not relevant to the quote, as Putin is not a Communist), the sudden collapse of the USSR (as opposed to the orderly de-Communization that happened across the rest of the Warsaw Pact) was indeed a catastrophe for the people who lived inside of it. People suffered. A LOT. These are people like you and me who were just living their lives.

It is easy to be smug when you and your family weren't forced to suffer through a decade of abject poverty and sometimes near-starvation.

The point is Communism, bad. The sudden collapse of the second most powerful nation on earth, also bad in a different way, especially from the perspective of those who had to live through it.

43 posted on 05/20/2018 6:37:07 AM PDT by billakay
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To: McGruff

When I see pro-russian separatist fly the hammer and sickle I don’t exactly think freedom is what their intentions are


44 posted on 05/20/2018 6:41:18 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: billakay

“...none?”
Serhiy Kokurin.
Natural result of Ukrainians force fed 75 years of “Slavic brotherhood” crap, which no one buys anymore.


45 posted on 05/20/2018 6:49:55 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: McGruff

Perfect. Crimea bridge blown up by Ukraine. Putin then has legitimate reason for full scale attack and takeover of Ukraine.


46 posted on 05/20/2018 6:52:09 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: mrmeyer
When I see pro-russian separatists fly the hammer and sickle I don’t exactly think freedom is what their intentions are

And if Russia is now really "anti-communist", why do they continue to support and prop up every US-hostile leftist/communist regime on the planet, as referred to in an earlier post of mine above.

47 posted on 05/20/2018 6:53:57 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: mrmeyer

Do an Internet search for Ukraine Nazis.


48 posted on 05/20/2018 6:54:15 AM PDT by McGruff (MAGA)
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To: McGruff

Do an internet search of Russian Nazis.


49 posted on 05/20/2018 6:58:17 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: mrmeyer

Something to consider as a possibility...

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a [] 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ...”

“Golitsyn’s argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government.”

“Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn’s thesis.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html
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Link to read “New Lies for Old” online:
https://archive.org/details/GolitsynAnatoleTheNewLiesForOldOnes
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Link to read “The Perestroika Deception” online:
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-TVvzZzfXiMBkMdvD
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“Gentlemen, Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years.

These are primarily for outward consumption.

There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes.

Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep”.

— Mikhial Gorbachev, former President of the Soviet Union, to the Politburo in November of 1987.


50 posted on 05/20/2018 6:58:26 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: donozark
Ukraine has suffered enough.

Don't be fooled...western interventionists couldn't care less about the suffering civilian populations.

51 posted on 05/20/2018 6:58:31 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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52 posted on 05/20/2018 6:59:17 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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“20 million for the Soviets alone”

“’The Black Book of Communism,’; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low.”

Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:

http://web.archive.org/web/20100711090651/http://article.nationalreview.com/365528/forgetting-the-evils-of-communism/jonah-goldberg


53 posted on 05/20/2018 7:06:47 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: Vaquero

“Perfect. Crimea bridge blown up by Ukraine. Putin then has legitimate reason for full scale attack and takeover of Ukraine.”


The author of a book to that sort of Russian tactic was ordered murdered by Putin several years ago. The book is titled Blowing Up Russia, Terror From Within.

A year or so ago a judge found that the FSB were behind the poisoning, while KGB Putin was president. Obviously, the FSB, a successor to the infamous KGB, and of which Putin was head of for a time, would never have carried out the assassination with his full knowledge and approval.


54 posted on 05/20/2018 7:16:20 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: McGruff

Do an Internet search for Nazi-Soviet Pact.


55 posted on 05/20/2018 7:17:59 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: billakay
Context, my friend. Communism notwithstanding (and indeed it is not relevant to the quote, as Putin is not a Communist), the sudden collapse of the USSR (as opposed to the orderly de-Communization that happened across the rest of the Warsaw Pact)


Russian president, Vladimir "KGB/FSB" Putin

56 posted on 05/20/2018 7:23:21 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: mac_truck

And I don’t know that President Putin is all that concerned about “...the suffering civilian populations” either.


57 posted on 05/20/2018 7:24:03 AM PDT by donozark (Restraining orders are just another way of saying I love you.)
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To: billakay


58 posted on 05/20/2018 7:30:32 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: rbmillerjr
The Wagner Russian mercenaries with Spetznatz background were fairly ineffective in Ukraine, as Ukraine government still exists.

Lol..since removing the regime in Kiev was never a stated goal of the Donbas separatists, the fact the Kiev regime still stands is meaningless.

Ask the Ukie survivors of the Debaltsolvo pocket how effective the DPR fighters are tho...


59 posted on 05/20/2018 7:37:52 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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Useful idiots

Thomas Sowell
May 20, 2003

“The term ‘useful idiots’ has been attributed to Lenin, as a description of those mindless people in the Western democracies who would always find ways to excuse whatever the Soviet Union did. Columnist Mona Charen’s new book Useful Idiots shows that such people are still with us.

Long after the Soviet Union’s horrors had become too widely known around the world for their sympathizers in the West to be able to get away with whitewashing the USSR, new Communist dictatorships arose to become the new objects of the affections of the Western intelligentsia and of like-minded people in the media and in politics. ...”

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2003/05/20/useful_idiots


60 posted on 05/20/2018 7:38:53 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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