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English Literature Isn’t Brain Surgery: Why is American medicine so expensive?
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 23, 2018 | Chris Pope and Tim Rice

Posted on 04/24/2018 5:14:25 AM PDT by reaganaut1

The U.S. spends about 18% of its gross domestic product on health care, far more than most countries. One contributing factor that often goes overlooked: the high cost, in time and money, of becoming a physician. In a recent paper for the Mercatus Center, Jeffrey Flier and Jared Rhoads argue that the amount of time it takes to become a doctor—almost always at least a decade—constrains the supply, driving up prices. Physician incomes in the U.S. well exceed those in Europe; American generalists earn twice as much as Dutch ones.

Much of this education, especially courses required for a bachelor’s degree, has little to do with medicine. In the U.S., aspiring physicians must spend four years in college before med school (another four years) and then residencies. Europeans can begin studying medicine immediately after high school—usually with a five- or six-year course.

While the share of Americans with postsecondary education exceeds the level in most European countries, the U.S. has a much smaller proportion of medical doctors graduating each year: 7.5 per 100,000 residents, compared with 11.3 in Germany, 12.8 in Britain, 9 in France, and 14.6 in the Netherlands. Only Canada, which has undergraduate requirements and high physician costs comparable to America’s, comes close, with 7.8 per 100,000. The U.S. faces a projected shortfall of between 42,600 and 121,300 physicians by 2030, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges.

The status quo also does a disservice to young doctors, most of whom emerge from med school in debt (a median of $195,000 in 2017) and don’t begin to practice until they’re in their 30s. Why prolong the process, especially when 53% of newly enrolled med students say that before college they already had “definitely decided” to study medicine?

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Less time in college means less opportunity for left-wing indoctrination.
1 posted on 04/24/2018 5:14:25 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

I asked the Engineering dean at USF why I had to take courses with “no technical value” (their words). Why couldn’t I substitute biology labs? He sighed and said, “because the ‘other side of campus’ (the arts) have to get a piece of your money. Those are the rules. I don’t make the rules.”


2 posted on 04/24/2018 5:18:37 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: reaganaut1

Pricing (and location of practice) is not set by government.

Malpractice lawsuits.

Cost shifting to cover lost $$$ providing emergency care to patients who do no pay (think $5 aspirin billing for hospital stays).


3 posted on 04/24/2018 5:19:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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To: reaganaut1

More visa for doctors can slash the labor pricing. Look what its done to engineering salaries for the past 20 years.


4 posted on 04/24/2018 5:20:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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To: reaganaut1

I see doctors dropping out of practice due to the high cost of liability insurance, regulations, operating costs and government controls (Obamacare, etc). My neuro went into corporate work (insurance consulting), my primary care Dr retired, another neuro was considering retiring early, my second primary care Dr went into research. Gross income vs net income for a doctor is a huge differential except in certain areas such as plastic surgery, etc.


5 posted on 04/24/2018 5:21:42 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: reaganaut1

In addition to the separation of cost and payer, other large driving forces in cost are a quest for immortality, and the widespread availability of wealth to pursue it.


6 posted on 04/24/2018 5:22:06 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: reaganaut1

Start exterminating torte lawyers.


7 posted on 04/24/2018 5:22:48 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (The Democrats in California want another civil war over cheap labor!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Also cost shifting to cover countries enforcing price controls. Ex: Canada.


8 posted on 04/24/2018 5:22:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: mewzilla

Whoops, that was for pharma.

As for docs, it’s Fedzilla.

Again.


9 posted on 04/24/2018 5:24:49 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: reaganaut1

A shortage of doctors is partially government-driven. As one of the few surviving parts of Hillary-care, the government was paying medical schools not to accept more students, both generally and in specific fields of study.

Obviously, they botched even the anticipated distribution of need.


10 posted on 04/24/2018 5:26:24 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: reaganaut1

Add to this that pharma companies carry on all their R&D here, but can’t recover the costs in countries that require them to sell medicine cheap. We end up paying the cost for this.

Also, don’t think for a minute that other countries are on the cutting edge of medical technology like we are. They’re not. But, it costs money to stay on top. And, believe me, not all medical care is equal.


11 posted on 04/24/2018 5:26:34 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: reaganaut1

Our left-wing universities and now left-wing medical schools want students to take off 2-5 years to go do social justice work before they admit non-minority students to state medical schools. This means students don’t start medical school until they are 26 or 27 years old, delaying their residencies until their early 30’s. 40 years ago you went straight to med school or law school after graduating. Then you were practicing medicine in your early 30’s instead of mid-30’s with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. Or there could be (and used to be) integrated programs where the student completed college and med school in 6 years and then went on to residency.


12 posted on 04/24/2018 5:27:10 AM PDT by Antipolitico
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To: reaganaut1

The reasons for costs of medicine and procedures are many, and all come down to some Democrat ideas of how to fix things. There is not enough free market in our health system.


13 posted on 04/24/2018 5:29:52 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: lepton

The weight average cost for health care can be reduced by eliminating the participants in the cohort that is greater than 65 years.

Factors to consider-
<>population replacement
<>non-productive segments


14 posted on 04/24/2018 5:30:01 AM PDT by ptsal ( Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - M. Twain)
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To: a fool in paradise
And insane billing in general. My bill for a blood and urine test was about $1500. The insurance company's negotiated rate was $75 with a $5 copay for me. So which matches the real cost of a needle, a couple of vials, a bottle, 5 minutes of the vampire's time and whatever actual tests that are done? Either the lab is getting screwed by only getting $75 or I was going to for $1500.

Imagine a car dealership where the price of a sedan is $150,000, or $7500 if you have your car insurance company negotiate for you.

15 posted on 04/24/2018 5:32:11 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (I can't tell if we live in an Erostocracy (rule by sex) or an Eristocracy (rule by strife and chaos))
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To: Gen.Blather

“because the ‘other side of campus’ (the arts) have to get a piece of your money.’

a literature major could make the exact same argument regarding ‘the other side of the campus’ doing a money grab...


16 posted on 04/24/2018 5:32:14 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: a fool in paradise

Nooooo

Then you end up with I’ll trained Pakis who provide no care whatsoever

The numbers are misleading. If you count in all the tax dollars paid for this so called care in foreign countries the US looks pretty good


17 posted on 04/24/2018 5:32:21 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yeah, we all want some Muslim treating us.


18 posted on 04/24/2018 5:36:50 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: reaganaut1

I would put an American trained physician up against a European one any day. It is difficult to tell straight out of high school who will have the stamina, tenacity and aptitude to undertake medical school. There are a few 6 year programs here but they have never caught on. Is mr Hogg and his compatriots ready to study medicine? We need to wean them off tide pods first


19 posted on 04/24/2018 5:36:51 AM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Nifster

Exactly. Everything looks cheaper on the spot when you are forced to prepay via taxes.


20 posted on 04/24/2018 5:36:56 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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