Posted on 04/10/2018 6:06:27 AM PDT by BeadCounter
OVERVIEW
This article uses publicly available evidence from 2003-2010 to explore the accusation that Bashar al Assad and the Syrian government deliberately supported Al-Qaeda jihadis in Syria so they could carry out attacks in Iraq. As these years were the formative ones for ISIS, then known by a series of different names, the evidence strongly, but not conclusively, points to Syria having helped ISIS form. There is no evidence that Syria intended for the jihadi group to grow into what it has become, but rather that Syria seems to have supported it for short-term, strategic ends.
Late last fall, a series was released by the Daily Beast about Bashar Al-Assad and his government’s supposed role in the formation of ISIS. Part One explored how the regime facilitated jihadis in Syria from 2000-2010 by letting them base themselves in Syria. Part Two details how a series of bombings in Damascus in late 2011 and early 2012 when the uprisings in Syria were really gaining steam were actually carried out by the Assad regime and blamed on Al-Qaeda. The defectors interviewed claim this was done to sectarianize the uprising and provide support for Assad’s discourse that he was fighting terror and needed Western support doing this. Part Three explores all the instances on the battlefield in Syria where the regime supposedly avoided clashing with ISIS. The claims in the series, especially those in part one, have been present in pubic discourse for some time and were expressed in a more detailed form with citations by Charles Lister in his “The Syrian Jihad“. Can the claims that come from defectors and anti-regime rebels be corroborated in these other sources? What kinds of sources do these other works use and can they help us triangulate the issues?
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No. obama, clinton, kerry and mccain built isis. They built it, financed it and armed it.
The Turks and the US State Department.
If you know how they were financed, you know the whole game. They marketed their oil through Turkey, and Erdogan’s son was in charge. When we were forced to make a show of attacking ISIS, they avoided for a long time attacking the oil convoys.
I have always noted that huge stockpiles of weapons and vehicles were brought in right before we pulled out of Iraq, and those stockpiles were abandoned to ISIS without a fight. They were the best armed army in the region.
Beyond that, Turkey provided ISIS with their safe rear zone, and their lines of supply. The rest of the war in Syria was directed by the Turks. And supplied by us through them. This war has been sold as a civil war but it could be ended tomorrow.
America’s invasion of Iraq created ISIL.
Bingo. And people should hang for that.
That’s funny. The entire ISIS base of operations was guided by the United States and Turkey. This kind of revisionism is sad and designed to manipulate the masses into believing a lie. The CIA, guided by Hillary Clinton, working with Turkey, financed, armed and trained ISIS to overthrow Assad. When they got out of control, (Which jihadists do) then they had to save face and go after them. meanwhile Turkey was supplying ISIS with arms, ordinance, medical help and logistics. The CIA continue to make sure air drops with supplies made it to ISIS and gave them air support until Obama left, and everything came to a grinding halt.
Really, it was potentially a brilliant idea. Use our enemies to go after our other enemies. Recruit Al Qaeda to take down Assad, and use ISIS to drive a physical wedge between Iran and Syria, isolating them from one another.
What seemed brilliant on paper didn’t work out so well in reality, as both halves of our proxy army started slaughtering Christians on camera for recreation. This was something that didn’t bother the Turks or the US State Department, but it was a PR disaster among ordinary Americans. I think the Saudis realized that before Obama did.
You would think that we could have simply told our proxies, in exchange for our help, money, and weapons, Christians living in your midst must be protected at all costs, or we’ll rain hell down on you from on high. But no one ever told them this out loud (was Obama going to deliver that message? Erdogan?) and so the Syrian civil war became a bloody disaster that no American could support. Obama and the Turks succeeded in doing what no one else could do, converting Assad into the good guy.
Assad did not build ISIS and Saddam did not harbor AQ. Those two are or were meglomaniacs, they’d be nuts to import and support radical islamists who would be a threat to their governments. Remember Bin Laden called Saddam “the socialist”. You aren’t going to support those who will turn their guns on you. It’s a lesson we learned with the Muj in Afghanistan when they formed AQ.
Organization-wise, I agree on the Obama, Clinton, Kerry/McCain being there, but money-wise....everything was Saudi-financed.
Washington doesn’t do proxies well. They usually come back to bite us in the backside:
1) Ho Chi Minh
2) Shah of Iran
3) Osama Bin Laden
4) Truiijlo (sp?) of Panama
5) Saddem Hussein
6) and the biggest failure - Adolf Hitler
Now we see the ISIS failure as yet another in a long string of proxy failures
If we were still a nation of laws they would. Maybe I should be more optimistic...If we are still a nation of laws they will.
We did not tell our ISIS proxys to leave the Christians alone because our Deep State under our Muslim leader hates Christians.
The Deep State would love to slaughter us here in America, that is why they spent so many millions of our tax dollars importing Muslims.
One point.
The sectarian aspect of the “uprising” in Syria did not need Assad’s help; that aspect was there already.
The party foundations of the regime in Syria began with less sectarian aspects to it, and included officials from all religious segments. Over time, as the Assad family turned the regime into a family fiefdom, the families and clans of the Alawite sect (the branch of Islam the Assad family is part of) gained more prominence than other groups in the hierarchy of the Assad regime. Being legitimately paranoid about opposition and rivals, trust (as happens so often) devolved a lot to those the regime felt shared most common interests with it - the Alawites.
Fuller sectarian divide, with push and pull from both sides, came with two major earlier civil uprising against the Assad regime, each led (as the last one) by the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria.
The Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon led to a working alliance of Hezbolla (a fundamentalist Shia Muslim militia force in Lebanon), Iran and the Assad regime. It revived what had for awhile been a rocky relationship between Assad and Hezbolla during Syria’s long occupation of Lebanon (during part of that era Assad backed a Lebanese rival to Hezbolla). Of course that alliance added to the sectarian divide inside Syria when viewed from the Sunni side, particularly the Sunni Muslim Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.
And the 2011 Syrian uprising. Yes, there were “moderate” Syrians working in the uprising, but they always were far less represented, weaker militarily, less-well organized and at any time over powered by the alliance of groups whose leaders had come from the ranks of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood - all Sunnis.
Assad’s actions vis a vis the Syrian uprising did not foster the sectarian divide in Syria. It was already there.
Those truly culpable are working to alter the truth to fit their claim of innocence. Don’t buy the fabrications. Lying is a sign of democrap culpability.
And the disinformation campaign marches on, but, in this case, only for the Neanderthals.
I was just going to say that it was Songbird McCain who was directly involved in the creation and support of ISIS. Obama, Clinton, and Kerry went along for the ride
“America’s invasion of Iraq created ISIL.”
The ‘L’ in isil stands for Levant, a slap in the face of Israel by refusing to acknowledge the (legitimate) existence of Israel. Or denying Israel’s right to exist.
Is this what you meant?
Obama, McCain, Clinton, Kerry, Graham and Rubio built that.
It was a bipartisan project.
No, the USA and Israel built ISIS. That’s why both American and Israeli weapons keep somehow ending up in ISIS’s hands.
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