Posted on 03/10/2018 10:22:58 AM PST by gandalftb
The U.S. president is walking into a risky, even dangerous situation, with a deeply uncertain outcome.
The North Koreans stated their “willingness” to “denuclearize the Korean Peninsula” in return for a removal of the “threat” and once Pyongyang feels “secure.”
This language is virtually identical to a phrase (“the denuclearization of the whole Korean Peninsula”) that veterans of negotiations with the North Koreans have heard many times over the years.
They have said it means the elimination of the “threat” posed by U.S. troops on the Korean Peninsula, and by the U.S. nuclear umbrella that defends South Korea and Japan.
In return for U.S. steps to eliminate these “threats” the DPRK would “consider” denuclearization in 10-20 years’ time if Pyongyang feels “secure.”
(Excerpt) Read more at brookings.edu ...
Look at the previous NK 1992 and 2005 promises:
https://www.state.gov/p/eap/regional/c15455.htm https://2001-2009.state.gov/t/ac/rls/or/2004/31011.htm
NK is a master at wiggling. Why is it that there is no mention of any of these developments in any NK publication? Not a word has been said.
"What we have here is a failure to comuncate." (Cool Hand Luke)
Instead, all we have is a third party statement of their memory of alleged comments of NK, supposedly overheard at a dinner conversation.
Now we are all in a flutter.
Yes, Trump pressure is working where all others have failed.
We are a long way from knowing if this is BS or buckwheat.
I am not optimistic. "Denuclearization" to NK means we would have to militarily leave SK, eliminate our nukes from Japan.
Are we ready for that?
I’m scared.
To find out what is possible, you at least need to try, but from a position of strength and resolve. Trump is predictably unpredictable, by design. Let’s give it a chance since all previous efforts with the NORKS have been large piles of kimchi.
The main risk is assassination. Beyond that the main purpose is
- once again demonstrate to the world that the US wants a peaceful solution
- communicate directly to Fat Boy what will happen to him if he makes a misstep
Beyond that I am skeptical about NK getting rid of their nukes. Perhaps NK will try to squeeze money out of Trump.
Don’t meet in a large area where the Young un is already in place and waves to Trump ,like come to me servant
“The main risk is assassination”
It won’t take place in NK
The best thing that come come of this is no deal at all.
Brookings is a globalist front trashbag.
Here’s what Brookings says to do:
“So as President Trump contemplates a direct encounter with Kim Jong-un, he and his administration should reflect carefully and ask whether the “deal” they seek is really within reach. And whether there is any “deal” to be had at all.”
I’m not impressed.
That said, I don't think we should promise anything - it should all be on NK. From what I can see, they have violated every missile and nuclear agreement they've ever entered into. We should go in expecting more of the same. Whatever agreement we reach, we should expect that in a couple of years they will be back to their old tricks.
they are afraid that PDJT will accomplish something tangible
I forget details, but didn’t Jimmy Carter go to North Korea, on his own, when Bill Clinton was president? What did he accomplish, if anything?
To paraphrase Obama, when he restored relations with Cuba, if something hasn’t worked for decades, try something different.
Since nothing we have done in decades has reduced the threats on the Korean peninsula, why not try something different?
Maybe I’m missing some nuances, but what negative outcome do the liberals fear, if Trump meets Kim? It’s not as is Trump will negotiate with Kim to get rid of our nukes, while Kim keeps his.
The liberal view seems to be, that Trump doesn’t understand the ins and outs of international diplomacy, and that a meeting with Kim will be a disaster. is this really true? What is the bad outcome they fear?
Everything can go wrong
However we are dealing with FatBoy, sure he is still crazy but I think he is less crazy then his dad, who was batshiat crazy.
He also has been dictator for what 7 years?
Anything can happen
However President Trump is holding all the cards. Fatboy has nothing, his nuclear program is in shambles, we know that. You don’t lose 200 of your nuclear scientists and recover in a weekend, these are highly skilled and educated individuals, they are not like bus drivers or ditch diggers that you can replace in a few days.
The only reason Fatboy exists, is because we let him exist. I think he starting to figure that out.
My recommendation on a secure designated meeting would be on the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), already in the area.
I assumed it would take place in SK but I am not sure we know. If in SK there would still be a big risk of assassination.
I don’t believe the Norklandians are stupid enough to believe they can get away with that sh!t again with this POTUS.
But the Globalists at Brookings do, which means they also believe Trump is stupid.
It’s the only way their logic works.
According to the MSM, the second-worst has already happened: Trump got KJU to agree to talks. The next-worst thing will be that Trump is present at the meeting. And the absolutely worst thing will be if Trump actually gets a deal.
See a trend here?
Lemmee splain how NK backslides.
Reactors generate a lot of heat, that we can easily see.
NK had a huge cooling tower and small lake to cool that reactor water. Cooling water is segregated to prevent contamination of local ground water. They tore it down in 2008 as a part of shutting down a reactor, heat signatures went away, woohoo!
Hmmm. Then the heat signatures of the reactor came back. But, but, but, no cooling tower?
But, now a new discharge pipe goes directly to the bottom of the river channel, masking the heat signature.
We just had to look at the river, thermally. We can’t tell exactly how much water is flowing to determine the activity of the reactor.
Any agreement on nukes has to include on-site verification. NK agreeing to that is the key to their sincerity.
They keep applying old failed way to Trump
But Trump isn’t going to negotiate like John Kerry did with Iran
Trump is always willing to walk away from a deal.
The Norks are in a bad spot right now, self preservation is probably their goal here
Fatboy figured out the only reason he exists is because we let him exist and Trump isn’t afraid to take him out if he has to. He is not dealing with limp wristed American leadership his father dealt with for decades. A little American force can go along way.
“You don’t lose 200 of your nuclear scientists and recover”
There is absolutely no credible evidence that has occurred.
And no reports from credible sources.
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