[HiTech RedNeck]

Not only is China an ideological mess, but it is a ecological mess. Communism did exactly what it always does: trashes things for the common man by way of benefit to the elite who oversee the scam.

[papertyger]

Communism did exactly what it always does: trashes things for the common man by way of benefit to the elite who oversee the scam.

Have you ever been there?

They're doing pretty good as far as I could tell. They don't seem to be much different than what I imagine late 19th and early to mid 20th century America was.