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To: Wuli
#1 Trump’s advisors need to ask now, in retrospect, was there some middle ground between helping to arm the “Syrian opposition” - as it WAS dominated by Islamists - and letting Russia and Iran so boldly arm Assad; and what would that middle ground have been. - from January 2017 there was nothing Trump could have done, the "opposition" since then (and earlier) are jihadis who want a sharia state. They should not be armed or helped in any way, not even by omission. Letting Russia and Iran arm Assad would be ok if it protects Christians and if Trump could deal with Assad to give him free hand in the north and east as long as the Kurds keep Rojava and Assad signs a non-aggression pact with Isr (doable as he can concentrate on main Syria

#2 Could we have, somehow succeeded in not letting Russia and Iran move into and arm Syria so much (different “red lines”), and also NOT have emboldened the “Syria opposition”, and then over time, with both sides less able to pursue war, brought some sort of political and military stalemate sooner? - not from January 2017. The time to have done this would have been in 2011 or 2012, but the US, UK and France were suckered by the Saudis to try and replace Assad with jihadis. The Syrians don't trust us, with reason. The right thing to have done in 2012 was keep Turkey, Saudia on a leash and tell Assad that he could deal with the jihadis and keep western Syria as long as he signs a non-aggression pact with the Israelis (also to his benefit as he then doesn't need to commit troops in the south)

#3 Assad is HORRIBLE. So are Putin and the Mullahs of Tehran. - they are nowhere as horrible as the Saudis or pakis. Erdogan is as horrible.

#4 What if we had supported Assad? Could he have been our “bastard” that over time we could dump? then the USA would create more problems. The right attitude was to stay out and not overtly support anyone. Sponsoring jihadi groups as McCain wanted to do was insane

12 posted on 03/13/2018 12:51:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

smart answers I have no disagreement with

Regardless, I do not think “sitting it out” is a long term strategy either.

We can’t go on using the Kurds for some interest of our own in Syria. If we are not going to keep Erdogan out of Syria, then we need to betray the Kurds again, as we have before - for our own interest. That would not be my strategy, but we seem to be leaving ourselves no other option.


13 posted on 03/13/2018 5:37:21 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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