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To: greeneyes

In the aftermath of what happened in Parkland, Florida, my sister was trying to digest what happened.

She used to be on anti-depressants and took herself off one day, cold turkey and has never looked back. She describes the feelings she had back then, from zombie to wanting to smash people in the head with a hammer when she was online at Walmart. She remembers, vividly, the mood swings and the absolutely horrible feelings she experienced. All gone now, thank the Lord.

As we were talking about this, she was telling me a tv ad for a weight loss drug. At the end, when they tell you all the bad stuff, they tell you, actually tell you, that the drug may cause suicidal feelings for the first 3 months of use. They have to tell you, but what gets me, is that the government will allow something like that, on the market, knowing what the side effects are. Big Pharma is a powerful, powerful force.

You have to wonder why so many vets are committing suicide these days, estimated at around 20+ a day, when the first thing they get from the VA is a care package of 2 bottles of pills, pain killers and anti depressants.


3 posted on 02/21/2018 1:45:13 AM PST by qaz123
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To: qaz123

Thanks for your post. Yes, it’s a tragedy what’s happening. Truth be known, that a good walk outdoors is sunshine is one of the best mood enhancers and true anti depressants there is, and there’s no side effects.

I was having terrible headaches with increasing frequency a few years back. My Doctor said he was going to give me a Rx that might help. It turned out to be some sort of anti depressant that had an off label use for fibromyalgia and some other stuff. It also had potential strokes.

I went back to the doctor, and he said in the amounts he prescribed, there would be no danger. I told him, you don’t understand, because of all the strokes in my family, I don’t even take Ibuprofen.

So I asked him to give me an Rx to go to the Physical Therapist. Turns out my C2 Vertebrae was rotated out of wack. I also figured out that I had hyperparathyroidism, which he argued with me about.

I brought him pictures of the two tumors that were removed and guess what-headaches reduced in half the first day and got less and less till I now no longer have them.

I won’t take anything, unless it’s generic and I can research it. I’ve also learned to ask what problem is it you think I have that this Rx is supposed to cure? If my arthritis acts up, I just use a heating pad. Too much prescribing for symptoms and not enough diagnosing the cause - JMHO


4 posted on 02/21/2018 2:12:07 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: qaz123

The sick bastards will have you taking dangerous prescription “medicine” before they’ll accept the fact that sometimes a little THC is all you need.


6 posted on 02/21/2018 2:54:22 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: qaz123
That’s awful. Glad she feels much better. I'm curious if she took them when she was under the age of 25?

It seems younger people have more adverse effects with AD.

29 posted on 02/21/2018 5:46:31 AM PST by HollyB
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To: qaz123

Most mentally ill are canaries in the culture. Their emotional boundaries are more permeable than the average person and they take in more and more of the culture and react to it as they are told to do by the media.

I call them the Cultural Canaries.

The leftist media has been advocating violence for a long time through video and presentation.

As for medications being the cause of the violence, well, of course most of the people who commit mass murder have been or are on or just came off of psychiatric drugs.

For most of them have been unstable for a long period of time and have been treated, for their mental instability. Mental illness and the kind of instability that causes mass murders of this nature just doesn’t pop up. These are people who have been mentally deteriorating for a long time. And they have been treated with the appropriate medications to manage their symptoms.

Whether they complied with follow up treatment, or took their medications, or not, is about judgment, which is something most mentally ill people do not have. As a matter of fact, lack of judgment is a symptom in most mental illnesses.

So to start talking about how these people were on different antidepressants, benzos, mood stabilizers, and antipsychotics and point fingers at the medications, is ridiculous.

It is the mental illness, not the medication or the gun that is at issue.

You would be better served to criticize a broken mental health system which is so hampered by HIPPA and Patient Rights that it is unable to prevent all but the most IMMEDIATE dangerous patients (and they have to prove it to the courts) from leaving the building.

You are all right, we did not have this sort of thing years ago and a good portion of what is going on is thus: people do what they are told, think what they are told, and the mentally ill have less filters from the common culture than others. They reflect the culture.

Therefore the violence our culture censored years ago, that many people either avoid or can filter, goes straight to the minds of the mentally ill and influences them greatly.

Censorship in the past was not there to keep you in the dark but instead was in place to protect the weak, including the weak-minded....and thus...the society as a whole.

We have eliminated hospital beds from our healthcare system in general and have closed down long term facilities for the mentally ill and developmentally retarded. We have shut down facilities that used to school and board troubled and mentally ill children and adolescents, and have opened programs that handle much less, and that require a much higher bar to enter, than before.

We have given adolescents patient rights, and have moved parents and guardians to the sidelines in decision-making for their care. I have seen frustrated and end of rope patents kill their mentally ill children and then suicide because the options of homes and locked facilities are not longer present.

No this is not an issue of pharma or guns, this is an issue of what we have become as a culture.

We had individuals in the old system who were abused in the large institutions. I submit that between homelessness, lack of treatment, people who predate on the mentally ill and retarded, and the damages and injuries caused by the mentally ill and mentally retarded, there is far more abuse and crime today that there ever was in post-war institutions in the US.

The large institutions of old, were places developed in compassion. In older times, families locked their mentally ill in attics, or starved and killed them. Towns fathers would quietly capture and kill dangerous mentally ill. We chose to give them a home and three hots and a cot. That is gone. We refuse to take care of these people and we are letting them die, and we are letting them kill. I suspect the larger issue is to control the culture, and remove guns.

Don’t blame pharma, blame your local leftist lawyer and politician for eliminating effective mental health care.


32 posted on 02/21/2018 5:59:18 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: qaz123

Such pills can sometimes defeat other mental defense mechanisms. For example it’s good not to worry, but it might be less bad to worry than to wallow in some other worse kind of mental hell that the worrying is distracting from.

A good doctor tries to understand his patients as people, not just as a case of xyz or whatever.


33 posted on 02/21/2018 6:04:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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