Posted on 02/17/2018 3:36:18 PM PST by kevcol
A North Carolina mom started serving a week-long jail sentence for having her daughter baptized, according to reports.
The 2016 baptism at St. Peter’s Catholic Church when the girl was 2 years old defied a judge’s order in a custody battle between unmarried couple, Kendra Stocks and Paul Schaaf, who are no longer together.
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many “judges” are pompous jackasses who’ve gotten a little too lofty and think they are demi-god know-it-alls.””
Understatement of 2018. Too many judges are actually criminals themselves.
To liberally quote Chariots of Fire, “with a name like Feit (Abrahams), he won’t be singing in the Chapel Choir”.
I’ve always understood that in the Jewish religion, the child is considered a Jew if the mother was a Jew.
Do Christian denominations have any tradition like that? How should these things be decided among parents?
thanks odd situation.
men don't have to impregnate anyone...in your case, I'd suggest just chopping it off if its so much trouble to control yourself..
and often, women are treated as a receptacle for a man's momentary sexual release, and then they complain about the consequences....
For everyone pointing out she “defied a judge’s order” ... what right does a judge have to order a (Catholic) parent not to baptize her child? slippery slope
The Catholic tradition is that the parents are married, to each other.
Sadly an understatement of decades and much longer. Lord Acton said it correctly.
But it doesn’t always work out that a marriage consists of two Catholics, or that they stay together and agree. I’m just wondering what the consensus is or should be on resolving a situation like this.
Catholics are permitted to baptize anyone, but only in emergency circumstances of probable or possible impending death, or in absence of a priest, separated by time and distance. The child in this case was an unbaptiised two years old.
However, according to the mother, both parents are Catholic and both wanted the child baptized. Her regret was the father was not present.
Mom may be unstable. To wait two years, until you’re under a court order against taking legal and religious actions, is a little odd. Personally, I’m happy she did it, but where has she been for two years?
The day after that ruling, Stocks went ahead with the christening without notifying Schaff. He found out when Stock posted photos of the ceremony on Facebook, according to the station.
Schaff’s attorney told the Charlotte Observer that Stocks was being punished, not for baptizing the girl, but for ignoring a judge.
If the 2 parents, even though apart, agreed, then what difference did it make to the judge???
Well your question is off topic, since the couple in question were never married, and furthermore they are both Catholic.
In the Catholic church it used to be that in order to receive the sacrament of matrimony the non catholic future spouse had to sign a paper declaring they agreed to raise the child Catholic... this is no longer the case. Currently, the discussion on what religion to raise children of inter-faith marriages is discussed between the priest and the couple during their pre-cana counseling. The Catholic church traditionally does not recognize civil divorce, but recently that issue has become clear as mud.
Schaaf was a practicing Catholic who attended Mass every week and that the court had issued a ruling that gave him final say in all legal custody decisions, including decisions concerning religion.
Because she held the ceremony conducted behind his back so he couldn’t be there or participate.
The father is a practicing Catholic.
the court order was that neither parent could make such decisions without consulting the other. Yet she defied that order the very next day.
He would probably not deny the baptism, but had a right to be told and BE THERE.
Seems the judge is nipping this in the bud as a warning to not leave the father out of future major decisions.
When all else fails, it helps to READ THE ARTICLE.
And if the father was Jewish, or Pentecostal?
You think he has no say in this matter?
” Dad” sounds like a real vindictive control freak to throw a legal hissy for missing a baptism
Yeah I can see he’d be mad - but put the mother of your child in jail?
I see a lifetime of misery for this mother and her child
Well, these things get complicated; and I had a personal reason for wondering if Christians in general have any clear consensus on what should determine the religion of the child.
My mother was Catholic, my father raised Episcopalian. He refused to become Catholic, but agreed when they married that I would be raised Catholic; so I was baptized.
Later, they divorced; I was basically raised by my father and his mother, and grew up in the Presbyterian church.
A Catholic woman in the neighborhood somehow found out that I’d been baptized Catholic (I guess because she was a member of the Church that baptized me) and knew that I was not ultimately raised in the Church; and she told me (a child of about 7 years old) that there was a ‘curse’ on me because of this.
(I’d been raised better than to let something like that bother me; but it did make me wonder about *people*, and about religion.)
Again, these things get complicated.
The priest must have known the reason for the mother doing this and agreed to go ahead
I think something is missing in this story
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