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SCHOOL SHOOTINGS: WHY ARE WE NOT HEARING FROM MILITARY EXPERTS?
vanity | 2/16/18 | jobim

Posted on 02/16/2018 8:54:10 AM PST by jobim

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To: BuffaloJack
The only person safe in a gun free zone it the shooter. Sheriff David Clark.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a thread winnah!

41 posted on 02/16/2018 9:41:32 AM PST by GOPJ (The 'dead vote' is a byproduct of fraud that votes the people who don't show up.)
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To: jobim

Because, like every other issue in Washington, if they actually solved it both sides would lose their bargaining power against the other.

Americans need to get smart and realize that almost every issue is this way and nothing will ever get accomplished. This was the reason Trump was elected.


42 posted on 02/16/2018 9:43:57 AM PST by kempster
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To: jobim

Uptting up a sign that says “Gun Free Zone” is like having a security system but hiding the sign outside that announces that you have an electronic alarm system.
Why bother. If the bad guys don’t see a sign saying alarm system then they will break in and try to break in. In the process they will cause your home several hundred dollars in broken windows or doors.
If the bad guy sees a “Gun Free Zone” sign, he knows that nobody will be trying to stop him.


43 posted on 02/16/2018 9:45:15 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code amd only practiced by warriors.)
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To: Redleg Duke

They ought to snicker sardonically “Well now you know how we feel when we can’t defend ourselves on a military base of all places!”


44 posted on 02/16/2018 9:52:25 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Tallguy

Oh, believe me, I am not saying that the situations - or possible solutions - are identical. I grew up in a teaching family, had a teaching certificate and have kinfolk still in the game, and I agree with you on the practical challenges. My point was that for all the genuine and faux-outrage hand-wringing and wailing about “the children,” public schools remain soft targets in an America that long ago decided to fortify other government institutions.


45 posted on 02/16/2018 9:54:33 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: jobim

Ever hear of the Posse Comitatus Act? It pretty much puts the breaks on any military intervention by the Army/Air Force. Navy and Marines are excluded from the act but have regulations with respect to civilian intervention. This has been well respected for years until Bubba Bill used Fort Hood soldiers in the intervention at Waco. Media turned a blind eye during that episode and is not a well known fact. Now that we know active duty (Title 10 USC) is pretty much prohibited in civilian intervention, the National Guard is a horse of a different color. As long as the NG and ANG are under the control of the respective Governor (Title 32 USC) they can be utilized. In a nutshell the military is not a policing force for civilian uprising unless Marshall law is enacted and that is a whole other subject.


46 posted on 02/16/2018 9:54:36 AM PST by Slingwing
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To: GOPJ

Well until someone else braves an attack and wins. Didn’t Nick go down with a whimper as an officer fell on him, tackling him like a football play.


47 posted on 02/16/2018 9:55:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: blueunicorn6

We used to do that for treason too. The single largest problem in Washington DC is a shortage of rope. No one in Washington DC is held accountable for their illegal and traitorous actions, and our country continues to crumble around us. We should demand a national holiday to exact justice on traitors and make it mandatory to show on television.


48 posted on 02/16/2018 9:55:45 AM PST by Conservinator (It's okay to be close-minded IF you are right!)
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To: Slingwing

So ask some posses.

Hello where can we find one? When did the last posse go out?


49 posted on 02/16/2018 9:57:02 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Conservinator

Rotsa ruck finding yourself better. Evil is pervasive and politicians sell you on it.


50 posted on 02/16/2018 9:58:27 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: niteowl77
I have to go through a detector just to enter the county courthouse and see the clerk of court. All pocket knives, multitools, etc are taken by a deputy at the detector and returned to the owner on leaving. Oh, and there are a number of armed officers there, despite the fact that the actual sheriff's office is not at the courthouse.

Schools are government buildings like courthouses. The kids are forced by the government to go there. The government should at least make it safe for them. Maybe they'll have to scale back on iPads for all the students or bilingual education or classroom commissars and devote some of the budget to protecting the students.

51 posted on 02/16/2018 10:07:05 AM PST by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: jobim
You can certainly improve school defense with funding and will to do it.

But I think we would be chasing after a solution that isn't touching the problem.

Secure the school? Cool. Single or double access points with an armed guard and an ID system. Add a psychologist on staff to identify students that may present a problem, and see if we can talk them off the ledge.

But I'm a pissed off teenager because no one has imparted into me the intrinsic worth I have, therefore I am not validated, and somebody has to pay for the pain I feel, and no one is going to stop me because "sucking it up" it not an option.

Therefore, I'll shoot up the school bus as it is leaving the parking lot of the school campus. Or the Friday night football game. Or the......

See what I mean? It's a societal issue.

52 posted on 02/16/2018 10:15:56 AM PST by Salvavida (The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
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To: Slingwing

Martial law


53 posted on 02/16/2018 10:19:15 AM PST by al baby (May the Forceps be with you Hi Mom Its a Joke friends)
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To: niteowl77

Hey, we could be stampede into just such a solution (armed guards/fortified entrances/metal detectors) despite what I may think. After all we got the TSA at every US airport after 9/11. No expense was spared and no practical inconvenience was allowed to be questioned.


54 posted on 02/16/2018 10:27:28 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: jobim

The first schools here in the year 1800 had armed teachers with rifles and large dogs against wolves. = problem solved.
The same tactic will work today against lone wolves.

“Children of the present day would be somewhat startled to go to school attended by large dogs, to keep off the bears and other wild animals, to study all day by the crackle of the great fire and back logs, to hear the howling of wolves at rollcall, and see the teacher take from its resting place over the door, a trusty rifle to guard the way home. Such were the first schools in 1800.”
‘Periwinkle’, “The Sentinel”, Feb 21, 1874 [”Ticonderoga Sentinel”, Ticonderoga, NY]


55 posted on 02/16/2018 10:27:39 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ((((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))))))
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To: Sasparilla

90% of colleges and universities have armed campus cops.
Oh, it`s ok to protect students 18-30 etc. in an institute of learning but not Ok to protect students under 18.
What a hypocrisy and age discrimination..


56 posted on 02/16/2018 10:32:39 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ((((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))))))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I have a sound mind and a forgiving spirit, but treason is a heinous crime against all of us. You exact justice a few times, it will save lives and preserve our great nation. Decisions have consequences!


57 posted on 02/16/2018 10:44:08 AM PST by Conservinator (It's okay to be close-minded IF you are right!)
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To: jobim

When walking across the border into Tijuana one passes metal detectors and a very serious looking Mexican officer.

They are there to prevent gun smuggling.


58 posted on 02/16/2018 10:44:48 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: jobim

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pass-protect-our-schoolchildren-act

Violence against schools can be reduced by hardening the targets. Using a combination of armed security, physical barriers and allowing teachers to conceal carry will make schools a hard target for armed terrorists.

The existence of security alone will act as a deterrent.

Think outside the box: using undercover random ‘school marshals’ like air marshals for schools would add to deterrent effect.


59 posted on 02/16/2018 10:47:19 AM PST by GameHawg
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To: Tallguy
Hey, we could be stampede into just such a solution (armed guards/fortified entrances/metal detectors) despite what I may think. After all we got the TSA at every US airport after 9/11. No expense was spared and no practical inconvenience was allowed to be questioned.

"Never let a crisis go to waste," as Rahm put it... and they do their damnedest to make sure wastage does not occur.

60 posted on 02/16/2018 10:50:08 AM PST by niteowl77
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