Posted on 02/16/2018 7:49:28 AM PST by EdnaMode
Surprised that 'Yaron' didn't say allegedly suspected.
Liberalism all around.
I’m not surprised to read stories like this, in terms of how we learn about how the authorities knew well about the perpetrators of well known, abhorrent firearms related crimes before they went out and committed them.
In my locale back in about 1995, a domestic incident involving a man shooting two of his children to death was one episode the media played up in their support of then Justice Minister Allan Rock’s plan to register every duck and deer and gopher gun in the country in the promise of a safer society. As it turned out, the man had been known to the police and local Children’s Aid Society as far back as 1989 and that in one instance, because of his reported violent behaviour, he had had the gun confiscated from him and a firearms prohibition order imposed. However, he successfully petitioned (and this was done with apparently the full support of his wife) to have the gun returned to him and the prohibition order overturned. Yet I recall being yelled and sworn at during the family meal (when the incident was being discussed over the radio news) when I suggested that scarce tax money being spent on the futile idea of registering every gun in the country would be better spent on improving domestic intervention initiatives regardless of the weapons used.
Maybe I should have kept my younger mouth shut in that instance, but it really is surprising that these people will immediately pounce on law abiding firearms ownership when not long afterwards, we learn the real details of what happened and that those details generally contradict the positions and assumptions made by firearms prohibitionists.
You know, this event, Mateen at Pulse Nightclub, Ft. Hood, - FBI is dropping the ball after having direct knowledge and suspicion. Maybe they should stop looking for Russians under the bed to satisfy the DNC and the media.
They were told about Nidal Hasan at Ft Hood, and dropped it out of political correctness:
FBI interviewed Mateen and dropped in for the same reason.
Those traffic cops in Texas at the Draw Muhammed Contest killed the Jihadis, but the FBI was actually working with the Jihadis.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-agent-apparently-egged-on-draw-muhammad-shooter
WTF is happening to our law enforcement. Obama destroyed it with political correctness.
And no one knows anything about Las Vegas.
I am losing faith, because of political appointments at the top have destroyed these institutions. It may take years for them to come back. We may want to alter their power, for they are now abusing it.
That's the big problem. Apparently some years ago they closed a bunch of psych hospitals so there is no place for these people to go. I work in an ER, psych patients come in, we have to house them until we find a bed, go through an entire battery of tests, it takes up an emergency room (small hospital we have very few ER beds available), someone has to watch them constantly and document their behavior every 15 minutes, sometimes it takes 24 hours to find a bed and sometimes they have to be shipped clear across state by ambulance therefore taking up EMT time as well. Sometimes there are no beds available period and they eventually say the person is okay, promises not to hurt themselves or others and so they have to let them go. It's a bad situation.
From what I understand, he didn’t enter the school until 7th hour. How did he get through the door in the first place? Wouldn’t the office have to buzz him in? Are the doors left unlocked while school is in session? Since 9/11, every school I know of in my city had instituted strict measures as to who entered after final bell, and while students entered as well. The office knew who he was and knew he wasn’t to be allowed in. I don’t understand how he even gained access to the school.
Went and did a little reading. Likely didn’t fit the criteria. Not as easy as you think.
I’ll bet that all individuals in the local government and school admin are 1. dimmacrat and 2. obama’s children.
FIBs are too busy looking for collusion.
They're all locked so you can't get in and usually have signals that go off if someone opens them from the inside. Many schools even have metal detectors. This is a large high school. I can't imagine that these security precautions weren't in place.
Back when I substituted (until five years ago), I was very cognizant of security precautions, having to adjust to different systems every day. What I've described is the minimum, precautions all schools have or should have in place, especially after Sandy Hook demonstrated it can happen anywhere.
“The problem is...you can’t arrest someone unless they commit a crime.”
But you can at least deny him the lawful purchase of a gun! I think someone should FOIA his 4473 to see what he put down when buying the rifle.
Seems the local cops were competing with the FBI on who could appear more inept.
You have to remember that many schools will suspend or expel any student who points at somebody with a fist made to look like a gun. The schools are the best target for mass killings because of their attitude about guns. Gun free zones my ass.
Is threatening mass murder a crime?
Liberalism AND PC all around. There I fixed it.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/timeline-mental-health-america/
https://www.atlasobscura.com/lists/abandoned-psychiatric-hospitals
“When he is charged he becomes the defendant.”
He pled guilty yesterday before a judge and was charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder. So today, the “technical term” is that he has been charged and pled guilty. He is no longer “suspected.” I am just hoping that he’s is now just sentenced and taken away. I doubt Florida will give him the death penalty, because he’s clearly mentally deranged.
We have a metal detector to go into Court. You cannot get through with anything metal on your person, so you have to take your belt off, and put your phone, change, pens, keys, etc in a bowl, or purse, or bag, and run it through the x-ray machine.
It slows things down, and is frustrating, but it works. If you don’t pass the machines, you don’t get by the deputies.
I don’t know how that works for schools. It may complicate things so much that it would be impractical to try and heard 3000 kids through those machines each morning. But perhaps what you could do is setup a system where the backpack had no metal, mechanical pencils or some non-metallic pen, or small enough metal that it would not set the machine off, drop your phones and keys in a side bowl as you go through, but run every kid through those metal detectors, and have one point of entry with an armed guard or two.
Just some thoughts. My real sermon would be about sin caused these shootings, and rejection of God and the Bible, but really in this case, I think this truly is a kid whose mental competency is at issue. I truly feel sorry for him too because he will leave each day knowing he killed those kids, and that will not change for him here on Earth.
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