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Friend or foe? Assad quietly aids Syrian Kurds against Turkey
https://www.yahoo.com/news/friend-foe-assad-quietly-aids-syrian-kurds-against-071434536.html ^

Posted on 02/11/2018 8:34:58 AM PST by NorseViking

ALEPPO, Syria/BEIRUT (Reuters) - Syria's U.S.-backed Kurds are getting indirect help from an unlikely source in their war against Turkey in the northwestern region of Afrin: President Bashar al-Assad.

Pro-government forces and Kurdish-led forces have fought each other elsewhere in Syria and Damascus opposes the Kurds' demands for autonomy. But in Afrin they have a common enemy and a mutual interest in blocking Turkish advances.

Turkey, which regards the Kurdish YPG militia in Afrin as a threat on its southern border, launched an assault on the region last month. Seeking to shield Afrin, the Kurds asked Damascus to send forces into action to defend the border.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: erdogan; hassannasrallah; hezbollah; iran; iraq; israel; jerusalem; kurdistan; lebanon; letshavejerusalem; receptayyiperdogan; russia; syria; turkey; waronterror
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To: BeauBo

The Kurds have been screwed by everyone. Including the US. They want their independence from everyone.


21 posted on 02/11/2018 10:31:11 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: Bobalu
In a fair and monitored election it is, IMO, almost certain that Assad would be re-elected as the leader of Syria.

A country that is 80% Sunni Arab will not elect an Alawite apostate/infidel to power, let alone re-elect him after decades of suppression and large scale atrocity against them. And I'm someone who has no problem with what's been done and thinks he's not killing enough of them.

22 posted on 02/11/2018 10:37:07 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Vermont Lt

The Kurds have been screwed by everyone. Including the US. They want their independence from everyone.


We haven’t screwed them. Before we showed up, their options were death or exile in Turkey. I understand they want an independent Kurdistan. The question is whether this entity will be a permanent ward of the United States that requires tens of billions in annual subsidies until the end of time. Afghanistan certainly does, and that countries only has one real enemy on its borders - Pakistan, whereas a Kurdistan in Syria will have three - Iraq, Syria and Turkey. If Iraqi Kurdistan had access to the sea, we’d probably have backed them, and they’d be a UN member today. But they don’t, so they’re screwed.


23 posted on 02/11/2018 10:43:04 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: NorseViking

The answer is that the Syrian government is definitely a long-term foe, but currently a temporary ally, in much the same way that Russia was a temporary ally of the US during WWII, but a long-term foe the way it is today.


24 posted on 02/11/2018 10:46:29 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: NorseViking

Ultimately, just as ISIS allied with al Qaeda against Assad, Assad allied with ISIS against al Qaeda and with al Qaeda against ISIS in different localities, relationships among the players will remain just as fluid as those between various powers jostling for land and population. France was Britain’s bitter enemy for the better part of a thousand years, before war against an expanding Russia had them fighting shoulder to shoulder as allies.


25 posted on 02/11/2018 10:51:31 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: NorseViking

Thanks for Ping


26 posted on 02/11/2018 3:08:38 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: McGruff
The Kurds have survived under Assad’s rule. Why overthrow him?

The Kurds are good fighters but their leadership aren't too smart politically.

They consistently over play their hand.

The Kurds turned down President Assad's offer to have the Syrian government forces take control of Afrin, which would have likely forestalled the incursion by Turkey.

They likewise turned down Russia's offer to attend multi-lateral peace talks in Sochi.

This could have been a win-win-win for the Kurds, but they miscalculated in thinking they could refuse Assad's offer and Russia would still prevent an attack from Turkey.

27 posted on 02/11/2018 3:40:47 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Saw a vid of Turkish fighters in Afrin playing stomp the soccer ball with a Kurd’s head earlier this am. The Kurds should come to their senses, IMHO. Maybe they are. Konico oil fields belong to Syria.


28 posted on 02/11/2018 8:33:08 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Vermont Lt

**The Kurds have been screwed by everyone. Including the US. They want their independence from everyone.**

Kinda like Aztlan/MeCha in the USA?


29 posted on 02/11/2018 8:39:17 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: BeauBo

If Assad goes, jihadis come. He is necessary in Syria unless it converts fromislams


30 posted on 03/13/2018 1:16:00 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: BeauBo

If an election were held and a pro-Sharia Sunni came to power like in Egypt? Would you be ok with that?


31 posted on 03/13/2018 1:16:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Jim Noble

Johny Turk WAS Sunni - he slaughtered Christians, Alawites, Yazidis. He enslaved Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Slavs, forcing their women intosexslavery,tking their boys and forcibly converting them.


32 posted on 03/13/2018 1:17:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Well, it’s a shame that the Crusades failed - but they did.

Can’t fix that now. We have to defend our homelands and can scarcely do that.

The advantage of a new Turkish empire is having a Sultan and a Caliph with GPS coordinates we can program into our missile subs.


33 posted on 03/13/2018 4:49:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Cronos

“If Assad goes, jihadis come. He is necessary in Syria”

“If an election were held and a pro-Sharia Sunni came to power like in Egypt? Would you be ok with that?”

Syrian society, like Palestinian society, is not ready for elections - no independent civil society institutions or independent political parties have yet been allowed to develop under the Ba’athist dictatorship.

It does not mean that Assad is good, just because jihadis are worse - and they are not the only options. The only justification that Assad has for his horrific Ba’ath Party ideology (the last government on Earth guided by the Nazi principle of socialism based on race), or his hereditary dictatorship, is the proposal that the alternative is worse.

If the Ba’ath Party would reform, like Communist Parties did in other countries, then the same re-branded guys could sit at the same desks. But Assad himself, and his hereditary dictatorship should go, for any kind of acceptable end state. The Kurds also offer a possible non-jihadi alternative to Assad’s government, although not one that Turkey would accept. There is always the (relatively low cost) time-tested CIA approach of just installing our own strongman, to rule with an iron fist (likely unacceptable to Russia, who sits on the UN Security Council). Also, the expensive and difficult option of an interim government, installed and operated by the US coalition, or UN, for a decade or so, is another non-jihadi alternative to Assad.

In any event, whatever replaces an Assad dictatorship would have to be carefully managed, to avoid the significant threat of a jihadi/Muslim Brotherhood takeover that you rightly highlight. The Muslim Brotherhood have a motto: One man, one vote, one time. They view elections only as a means to take power, not as something they plan to continue. The Palestinian situation is a clear evidence of what should be expected from just tossing open a premature election and walking away.


34 posted on 03/13/2018 10:00:56 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
Syrian society, like Palestinian society, is not ready for elections - no independent civil society institutions or independent political parties have yet been allowed to develop under the Ba’athist dictatorship. - I agree

For Syria and Iraq I would rather propose a solution where there are a number of statelets joined in a confederation (like the old Swiss confederation) - with statelets for Marsh arabs/Shias, Sunnis in eastern Syria and western Iraq, Assyrians, Allawites, Kurds and a Syria of the cities from Aleppo to Damascus

the ideal scenario would be eliminatingIslam, but that's not going to happen so a dictatorship by the Alawites is the only way to keepjihadis out of power

35 posted on 03/13/2018 11:38:42 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

“For Syria and Iraq I would rather propose a solution where there are a number of statelets joined in a confederation (like the old Swiss confederation)”

The Kurds have consciously adopted some Swiss models, such as calling their sub-divisions in Syria Cantons. The dominant Kurdish political party in Syria (PYD) calls their political ideology Democratic Confederalism (same as the PKK). It is marked by a weaker central government, and great local autonomy.

In the last couple of years they have moved away from focusing this proposed organizational approach on only the Kurdish regions/people, and have been promoting it as a non-ethnic, non-sectarian approach for all, or any parts of, Syria.


36 posted on 03/14/2018 3:54:35 PM PDT by BeauBo
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