Posted on 01/30/2018 6:27:55 AM PST by SandRat
On the phone with them now. Very nice lady answered the phone.
I didn’t get to speak with Miss Roman. A gentleman came on the line to tell me the Coroner’s office has no information regarding fraudulent medical marijuana applicants or users. He suggested I call their sheriff for that info.
Hmmm :)
Meanwhile, for those incapable of using Google:
>https://www.verywell.com/medical-marijuana-an-easy-target-for-abuse-67775<
Abuses of medical marijuana laws are being perpetrated by doctors who prescribe the drug for many conditions not covered by the law, people who lie about their symptoms to acquire a prescription, and people who have legitimate prescriptions who are diverting their medical marijuana to the black market for a profit.
It may surprise you to learn that Jill works very closely with Tony.
hmmmm.....
Love the snark. Truly funny stuff.
There is no doubt California’s medical marijuana program was a joke because you can walk in & claim anything is wrong with you & get approval into their MMJ program.
In other states, such as Florida, that’s not gonna work. If you don’t have valid medical records documenting a condition recognized by the state you are not going to get a card. Plus you have to see another doctor who goes over all your medical records to determine if he can legally recommend cannabis as a valid treatment for you condition.
Another safeguard against fraud is we are only allotted so many milligrams of THC every 70 days. If you use up your allotment before the end of your 70 days, you are up the creek without a paddle until the next 70 period begins because no dispensary will sell it to you.
One of the great things about America is states get to be their own laboratories. Florida appears to me to have looked at the flaws in other state’s MMJ programs & rightly created a better regulatory framework to keep fraud to a minimum out of the gate.
Since I am 100% ignorant of that office I’m not surprised.
If it was Tony I spoke with he was certain about the fact the Douglas County Cororner’s office does not keep any records or statistics regarding the number of or the percentage of fraudulent MMJ patients.
Makes me wonder if your coroner shared an opinion you are asserting is fact.
Hmmm :)
Tony is the Sheriff, with whom Jill works closely, and is therefore aware of data he has on the subject.
She also has other sources in the medical and law enforcement community.
I didn’t ask her for her source.
Were you able to employ that link I sent you?
I wonder. Is his middle name Nanny?
Like many other Republicants I've encountered over the years, he is all for smaller government--as long as his pet programs are included.
So Tony was not who I spoke with then, I assume. Again. Too funny :)
I read the article/opinion piece at the link you shared. There is no doubt in my mind regarding California the article is quite right. California’s MMJ program was de-facto legalization from the start.
There is also no doubt many are in the cannabis industry just to make $$$ & I have no problem with legal free enterprise. I loved the fallacy at the end:
“But instead, the medical marijuana industry has produced “pot dealers in storefronts” who make “ridiculous” amounts of money, according to one advocate.”
Why would any conservative care if people are legally making “ridiculous” amounts of money operating a legal business?
For a pro-prohibition article I give it 4 stars for accurately describing California’s MMJ program & 0.5 stars for the rest.
“Another safeguard against fraud “
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Would you like a count of my family members who have a med card under fraudulent claims?
They don’t NEED it for anything, they just make a claim and the doc signs the card.
“Would you like a count of my family members who have a med card under fraudulent claims?”
So these friends of yours are legal medical marijuana patients in the state of Florida?
“They don’t NEED it for anything, they just make a claim and the doc signs the card.”
Then they aren’t residents of Florida & not in the MMJ program here in Florida. Got it. :)
When did Florida become the criteria for my claim?
You are seriously cracking me up. :)
I was speaking specifically of Florida’s MMJ program. It’s the only one I have personal hands-on experience with. My knowledge of Californis’s de-facto MMJ comes from when I began researching whether cannabis might help me in 2015.
If its easy in Colorado to commit fraud you folks should work to correct that.
Post #44 was the first time you mentioned Florida.
But, for point of reference, I do have a nephew in Jacksonville, FL who gamed the system.
“Post #44 was the first time you mentioned Florida.”
True. You win a prize. :)
“But, for point of reference, I do have a nephew in Jacksonville, FL who gamed the system.”
Then please FReepmail me his name so I can report him. Folks like him put my medicine at risk when they do that.
Here’s a much larger pond to fish in:
Here are five loopholes intentionally written into Amendment 2:
The amendment language states that “a person” can obtain “medical marijuana.”
Well, who’s a person? You’re a person; I’m a person. Our children are also “a person.” Because there’s no prohibition against teenagers getting legal access to medical pot, we will see increases in kids and young adults smoking pot.
There is a “caregiver” loophole: the amendment allows “caregivers to assist patients’ medical use of marijuana.”
There is no qualification to be a caregiver other than you have to be 21-years-old and have no more than five “patients” at any given time. That’s it. There’s no medical license, education, or training required. Felons and drug dealers can be caregivers.
Amendment 2 provides a list of debilitating illnesses where physicians can recommend “medical marijuana,” but it doesn’t stop there. The amendment goes on to say, or for “other conditions.” What are “other conditions?” Conditions like: “My back hurts,” “I can’t sleep at night,” or “I have some stress in my life.” With a loophole like this, there’s no limit to who will be eligible to smoke pot.
Under Amendment 2, the grower, the caregiver, and the recommending physician will be civilly and criminally immune to liability. There is no protection for the consumer nor accountability for those who deal out bad pot.
Medical Marijuana Treatment Centers can not only make smoked marijuana, but under Amendment 2 they will be able to develop “other related products” containing marijuana. Products like gummy bears, lollipops, ice cream, sodas, candy, cookies, and “pot”-tarts. Doesn’t this sound like they’re marketing to our children?
Loving the “articles” from anti-cannabis sites. They are as reliable IMO as pro-cannabis sites pushing their collective agendas.
“Doesn’t this sound like they’re marketing to our children?”
Only to those who want it to be so, I expect.
So your relative’s name is? I could always meet with a Duval County Sheriff’s deputy I know & see if he is a FReeper too. I bet he would love to talk to your nephew.
“Another safeguard against fraud is we are only allotted so many milligrams of THC every 70 days. If you use up your allotment before the end of your 70 days, you are up the creek without a paddle until the next 70 period begins because no dispensary will sell it to you.”
The allotment must be very high or it will have no effect on someone who has used cannabis long-term.
Someone who has used cannabis daily for 10+ years will need a dose 10-30 times greater than someone just starting today.
A long-term patient’s daily dose of cannabis can likely keep a college kid stoned for an entire month.
It’s the same thing with all pain, anxiety and sleep drugs though. You develop a tolerance and need to take far more than would get a typical doper high. Rx drug abuse is so rampant because extreme doses are not uncommon.
The difference with cannabis though. is that healthy people can’t overdose nomatter how much they take. While you have things like fentanyl on the opiod side that can kill a healthy elephant. Some patients develop such a high tolerance to opiods that they are on the borderline of overdosing whenever taking them. Michael Jackson is probably the most severe example of opiod tolerance we’ve seen. Where doctors had to nearly put him under for any relief and monitored him so he would not die.
‘It would be easy to ignore you and your ilk’
I feel so honored; it’s been a long, hard slog, but I finally belong to an ‘ilk’...I’d drink to it, but you might get offended...
‘You might find that he for a variety of reasons “chose” to indulge in the gateway drug of marijuana and finally met his end.’
are you seriously asserting that his actions were predestined for him once he experimented with the noxious weed? gateway drug, indeed...of course, despite the harsh regulations that have marked the last fifty years, that you are so keen on, he met his fate anyway, your regulations failing spectacularly to deter him from his course...
‘Then return to your rathole.’
my, my, bitter, bitter...BTW, in the interest in making proper ‘choices’ in grammar, ‘rathole’ needs a hyphen in order to function as you mean it...
“Someone who has used cannabis daily for 10+ years will need a dose 10-30 times greater than someone just starting today.”
Nonsense. It’s too dependent on the individual to make such a statement. In today’s internet age it’s common knowledge that increased tolerance can become an issue for medicinal users. It’s an issue easily avoided thankfully. Changing the strain a person uses from day to day along with using cannabis in different ways keeps tolerance low.
For instance, I will vape this evening before bedtime. Tomorrow evening I will ingest concentrated oil & not vape. Tonight I will be using the strain called 9lb hammer & tomorrow night I will be using the strain Grandaddy Purple and so on.
I agree changing things would help with avoiding tolerance but cant deny it is there.
Typically I’ve seen patients that would start with 0.05g of fine dry cannabis at a time and stabilize to around 0.5g after several years. 10X seems to be the average.
There are of course exceptions. Some people never develop any tolerance. While some patients will take much more orally or by vaping extracts. Sometimes the equivalent of 5-7g of dry cannabis in one dose is taken in minutes.
Usually these are the most ill patients with most severe pain who are maxing out on opiods. Arbitrary limits on doses end up hurting them the most so there needs to be some way for them to get relief
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