Operation Condor – How NSA Director Mike Rogers Saved The U.S. From a Massive Constitutional Crisis…

ConservativeTreeHouse.com ^ | January 5, 2018 | Sundance

[reasonisfaith]

You appear to be wanting to change the topic of this thread.

Back to the point: Admiral Rogers did a very good thing. He stopped the Obama liars and cheaters from being able to finish their dirty deeds.

If you’d like to add to the thread, try speculating on why people like to lie and cheat, and why others like to follow them in lying and cheating.

[KC Burke]

So you don’t like the article from Sundance, either? And you actually believe that Mueller is trying to prosecute Hillary, despite his arrests of several Trump associates? Because that is what he has claimed, based on his posts, including this thread now. Nothing personal, just a difference in opinion. And as I’ve told him several times, I hope he changes his, since it doesn’t add up.

No, that is not what I am referring to at all.

I do like the article from Sundance and as I have posted elsewhere on the "inter-weebs" I also think Admiral Rogers is a Hero for the Republic's Preservation.

I am referring to what LS has been saying for two solid months. It has become impossible for him to participate in the forum because he has become too well known and thereby becomes a magnet for everyone who has their own vision of events and their causes. He can't agree or disagree in any comment without the baggage of snarky attacks from others about things he has predicted, or when he has tried to share his "educated guesses" with the forum.

There is a whole group or posters, perhaps you have joined them, that take all articles and opinions that vindicate some opinion of theirs and use it to bash anyone that has really stuck their neck out. I feel LS is one of the targets.

Don't get me wrong, LS is wrong on some prognostications, but he doesn't get nasty and fight about it. I told him the outcome within a tenth of a percentage point ninety minutes after the polls closed in Alabama in the recent special election. He had not yet come to that conclusion, but he did not argue, snipe, back-bite or get bitter. He knew from a week earlier that I felt Moore was too damaged and the wrong candidate, IN MY OPINION, but other than expressing disagreement, he did not lambast me. He and I enjoyed participation in the forum with different opinions -- we let it go to see what the final events and facts would reveal.

So again, not everything is about you. I was agreeing with LS that many posters have treated him like crap when he has done nothing other than be a solid contributor to this forum.

[Golden Eagle]

That's a great post in his defense, and I appreciate it. But he's a big boy, and is far from meek on his twitter feed, where he's constantly posting pics of some baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire when he's banning people from his threads.

But he can't ban people over here, that I know of. He will have to defend his comments, and predictions in full debate, which he doesn't seem capable of doing. As we see here, he fires off a few weak personal attacks, much more personal than my posts, then goes back into hiding.

I'm not hunting for him in particular, but when he tells us that we are supposed to trust and respect Robert Mueller, I have a very serious disagreement with him. Then when he comes here and attempts to make posts that don't line up with that belief, then he deserves to be questioned on it.

That puts me on the firing line as well, because he has a history here and some dedicated followers, much more than the average poster. But no one is a sacred cow, especially when they want us to put faith in someone who is arresting the President's former staff, and now threatening his family. So I am going to continue to call him out when he makes illogical statements.

If he or his defenders want to debate Robert Mueller, then great, let's do that, and that is all that I am asking. But they don't, they/he want to turn it into a discussion that I am being unfair to him despite his claim that Mueller is a good guy without defending it with evidence.

I have no problem with you good FRiend. Your post was excellent, fair, and honest. I hope you see mine in the same good faith. And I will be careful not to respond to his childish insults re:”second grade” in that same manner, and don't feel that I ever have. As I have told him, I would like to see him return to the board, but if he continues to be in support of Robert Mueller, he should expect some tough questions about it. So far, he's been unable to answer them. Thanks!

[Vision Thing]

I can't blame LS for spending most of his social-media time on Twitter and less of it on FR. LS's follower count on Twitter is massive. Looks like he is on his way towards earning a blue check-mark Verified Status.

Also, his interactions there run the gamut from people reacting negatively and postitively. And he is able to hurl Negan-style insults at those who abuse him, block them, and in turn, not get banned.

LS's Twitter life is awesome.

[Golden Eagle]

LS's follower count on Twitter is massive.

I don't even have a twitter account because it primarily seems to be a bunch of knuckleheads, if they're even people at all and not just automated bots. So I don't know how one grows their number of people/bot followers, but I have heard LS often claim that whenever he bans a few, he immediately gets back an order of amgnitude more, so maybe that's the trick. But I'll be over here our great little forum of mostly like minded and professional humans, if he'd like to discuss any of this further. Thanks!

[JerseyDvl]

Lol.. Crickets. Not all FReepers are “with us”.

[Vision Thing]

Yes, the bots make up a good part of the Twitter population, but amongst these bots are serious relevant players who interact with one another and with everyday normals. People on Twitter have access to each other, no matter what status each may have in the real world. And the access list that each Twitter account has is mind boggling.

[Disestablishmentarian]

There is no “defending” a prediction. You just have to let it play out and see who is right.

Personally, I have seen prominent Sessions haters (version of the Mueller haters) BACKING OFF. For example, Jim Jordan (who I think is excellent future Presidential material) is in full retreat now on the Judge Jeanine show last night on FoxTV.

I think these patriots are starting to get “read in” that, in essence, LS has been right all along and the wheels of Justice have been grinding in secrecy.

IF THIS IS CORRECT, I will be interested how may never-Sessions/Rosenstein/Wray/Mueller Freepers will stand tall and eat their words.

If I am wrong, I promise I will do so.

[Golden Eagle]

Thanks for chiming in. And I will once again say I hope that Mueller is trustworthy, despite a long list of apparent evidence that he’s a snake that has long served as a cover up artist for the deep state.

I saw Jordan last night, and he didn’t retract his call for Sessions to resign, or retract his call for the need for a special counsel to investigate the DOJ, including Uranium One, which appears to implicate Mueller.

What he did say was, thanks to the immense pressure that Nunes and other congressmen, it does appear that there may be a CHANGE that is going on at the DOJ. And there may well be a CHANGE going on, even in Mueller’s investigation, based on the lambasting and microscope review he’s undergoing now. But he clearly bases this possible CHANGE on pressure from Congress, and said that his request for Sessions to resign stands unless he continues to see significant CHANGES.

To further emphasize this point, this would be a CHANGE that post-dates the claims that Mueller was secretly working for Trump from the very start. And it’s not been a “prediction” by LS, it’s been a statement of what supposedly happened when he was first appointed first of May, when there’s no proof there was ever any “secret deal” yet there’s tons of evidence that Sessions was shocked when Mueller was appointed, and Trump was furious. Look at my own tagline that dates back to that time period. So revisionist history on how this may eventually play out isn’t going to work as proof of any secret deal taking place. Thanks!

[KC Burke]

Thanks for your reasoned reply.

Where twitter, reddit and all the other sites are kind of a free-for-all, I see FR in light of our history. We banded together and became the forum this is by the common cause aspects of stopping the Bill Clinton corruption and getting the impeachment accomplished.

That took people working together that would not otherwise have done so. In my opinion, that developed a fellowship aspect that requires much more care in how we exchange on this forum to keep it somewhat unified.

Now, I am not ready to launch into Kumbaya but Admiral Rodgers does make me hum the Battle Hymn of the Republic this morning.

[Golden Eagle]

Yes Sir, you are welcome. I’ve said all I care to about this subject for the time being, other than to say I agree with you that Clinton’s impeachment is what breathed life into FR and brought so many of us here, whether we’re even using the same handles we had on day 1, or were simply lurking.

As we approach a possible impeachment of a Republican President, now, I see it as equally important that we are all on the side of the President, and not on the side of the special counsel investigation, until there is any reasonable evidence to warrant supporting the special counsel. Others may feel differently, but they should not be surprised that is somewhat sacred ground on which they are treading, whether they realize it or not.

Thanks again and hope you have a wonderful rest of your day.

[Disestablishmentarian]

Well, our positions are on the table. We’ll see who is right.

Can we agree on one thing now: That some of the crimes that have allegedly been committed, such as fraudulently and illegally using the powers of the FBI and DoJ to try and steal an election (i.e., coup d’état) are, if proven, TREASON PUNISHABLE BY DEATH?

[Golden Eagle]

I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that treason typically requires the US to be at war, or involves actions related to a dangerous foreign power. My guess as to the appropriate charge would be “conspiracy against the United States” since that is what Mueller has already charged some of the Trump people with.

[Disestablishmentarian]

Nor am I a lawyer, but Article III Section 3 defines it:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

Would, for example, accepting bribes to benefit the Enemies, including Hezbollah, Iran and socialists/globalists of various ilks wishing to destroy the valid Constitutional government of the United States constitute “Adhering to their Enemies?”

[Golden Eagle]

Thanks, and good argument. As with almost anything in law, almost anything is possible, depending on the legal environment, to include the judge, jury, etc. However, treason is rarely charged, especially when we are not at war, which we have not legally been for a long time which likely explains why it is rarely charged.

I don't think there's a good chance that Obama himself would ever be charged, probably with anything, much less treason. Not that I don't think he deserves it, because he very well might, but just because it would not be considered healthy for the nation, and would probably be avoided. Such reasoning might prevent us from ever knowing the truth about the birth certificate controversy.

I know that's hard to accept, as true and fair, but we have to be cognizant of such things, and I actually do believe we should proceed cautiously when charging the previous Presidential administration of crimes, less that set a precedent going forward. There are nasty liberals on TV regularly stating they can't wait until they control the White House so that Trump and his family can be prosecuted after he leaves office, whether he is impeached or not.

If that were to become a pattern or trend in our future, we truly could devolve into future abuses of law enforcement to punish our political enemies. Therefore, I predict treason won't be charged, whether it should be, or not. We'll be lucky to get anyone high up in the administration charged, such as the cabinet members, due to political correctness, Democratic dishonesty, and eventual Republican capitulation. But who is the most likely to be charged, are the crooked officials in the DOJ, and the White House officials who pulled their levers. They are the ones responsible for enforcing the laws, so if they circumvented them instead, it's easier to prove, and less excuses can be made.

But we're a long way even from there at this point, with an AG with his arms tied behind his back, and a special counsel investigating the current President with many expecting him to be the one facing legal charges. That's why solidarity in our opposition to the special counsel is so important, as is getting a fully functional AG in position despite our personal fondness of Sessions.

[Iscool]

I was agreeing with LS that many posters have treated him like crap when he has done nothing other than be a solid contributor to this forum.

Sad but true...While I can't see Mueller dismantling his entire crew if he was to go after Hillary, which he would have to do, I certainly don't hold any animosity for someone with a different opinion...

I hope LS is right...But so far, I don't see it...

[Disestablishmentarian]

You make excellent arguments concerning the good of the nation; however, your conclusion (of opposing Mueller) is not valid if in fact (as I believe) the Mueller investigation has already turned to Hillary and other matters, possibly including Fusion, illegal use of FISA and surveillance of Americans, and also U-1.

Certainly the I-G report is going to blister the Obama Administration, and right behind it will come the new email and Awan indictments.

I could see Hillary ending up, like Nixon, as an unindicted co-conspirator (for the “good of the nation”), and certainly Obama is off limits unless someone can reveal his secret Swiss Bank accounts filled with Iranian cash.

I think Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray, Mueller and Horowitz will all prove to be great patriots trying to remove a massive malignancy.

I would like to see the maximum penalties for the likes of McCabe, Ohrs, Steele, the FusionGPS people, DWS (and others involved in Awan scandal),and Strzok.

Again, time will tell.

[wardaddy]

No kidding and Freepers run cliffs set up by headlines without reading the fine print so frequently

Makes you wonder

There was a time we had broader intellect and inquisitiveness here

Unfortunately more libs and NeoCons too

Never knew Rogers did Twump a solid till Pelham sent me this

[Pelham]

“Elise Stefanik hammers Comey good”

Absolutely. That’s one of the best takedowns I’ve ever seen. That girl’s got a future.

[Pelham]

Mueller may well have been charged with babysitting a select crew to keep them busy while they themselves were being investigated. Someone was investigating Hillary and the conspirators- but it will turn out to have been the OIG and not Mueller.