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The great rethink of ethanol
Washington Examiner ^ | Dec 19, 2017 | Wayne Allard

Posted on 12/19/2017 8:58:28 AM PST by george76

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To: Timocrat

Thanks Timocrat that website is where I found the filling station that sells the 110 racing fuel. Some FReeper had posted it on a former Ethanol thread. There are no other gas stations in the area here in southern NH that sell non ethanol gas at their pumps. Most of the fuel stations in NH that sell non ethanol gasoline are the marinas in the lakes region about an hour north of here.


41 posted on 12/19/2017 10:04:18 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: wattojawa

Ping.


42 posted on 12/19/2017 10:05:00 AM PST by lightman (ANTIFA is full of Bolshevik.)
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To: george76

Ethanol made from feed corn is still and always will be a scam implemented under the fallacy to dampen US dependence on foreign oil and to cut carbon emissions from fburning fossil fuels. Scientific fact; it requires more British Thermal Units (BTU) derived from fossil fuels to make a unite of ethanol than the BTUs produced by the ethanol. ConAgra, ADM, Monsanto et al and those in the DC swamp who are owned by these companies are all laughing all the way to the bank and at the American consumers expense. The corn based ethanol program needs to end.


43 posted on 12/19/2017 10:08:31 AM PST by drypowder
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To: McGruff

Not just Iowa. This shame has the entire Midwest on the fed govt teat. As a former Iowan, and now Kansan this scam must end.

Increased pollution via hydrocarbons—ok it is just minor

Reduced acreage for food as it goes to this phony nonsense

ethanol production consumes more energy than it produces

This waste of dollars is such a burden the nation can never return to a sound economic footing.

Enough is ENOUGH.


44 posted on 12/19/2017 10:10:19 AM PST by whistleduck ("....the calm confidence of a Christian with 4 aces".....S.)
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To: tomkat

grass is for cows, corn is for flakes.


45 posted on 12/19/2017 10:10:21 AM PST by The_Republic_Of_Maine (RINO politicians beware your time is coming ... SOON)
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To: cymbeline
but jeez, where are the complaints from the ordinary guy?

Congratulations on your worry free use of Ethanol infused gasoline. It would appear that I and a number of other non "ordinary guy(s)" have not been so fortunate. For an illustrated guide as to why some non "ordinary guys" might be having a problem Small engine damage

Having personally replaced three carbs on my lawn mower and one on my leaf blower my experience has been much different than yours. Because Ethanol is hydrophilic, over time it corrodes the metal parts of an engine and thus clogs up the filters on fuel lines and carbs.

46 posted on 12/19/2017 10:10:27 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Yeah, Only thing I use the Acetone fuels in are small engines like a chainsaw. You know, 2 cuts and it goes back on the shelf for a year.

I use “Ethanol Shield” for everything else. Works better as a stabilizer than anything else I’ve tried. Stabil is garbage.

http://b3cfuel.com/products/ethanol-shield-fuel-stabilizer

also use their MIB. It saved a year old genset for me. All available at Home Defect.


47 posted on 12/19/2017 10:11:07 AM PST by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I’ve been using 40% ethanol over 40 years, no problems yet :)

For my small and especially 2 cycle gasoline engines, though, I learned not to use it years ago. Dead carbs after months of sitting. Only non-oxy now. Luckily it’s available here, maybe 50 cents more a gallon.

It’s farmer welfare,and it’s made some people very very rich. It’s energy balance (energy in it vs energy to make it) is crap. It’s water based, not oil, so mixing it with gasoline is good...how? Yeah, it’s past time to look honestly at this tax-eating thing.


48 posted on 12/19/2017 10:13:56 AM PST by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: cymbeline

Two cycle oil also has fuel stabilizer in it. So, if you are mixing it with 10% ethanol it typically takes care of the issues. As others have stated ethanol will gel if it sits in the bowl of your carburetor for an extended period.

Temperature also has a affect. Ethanol is hydroscopic. It tends to attract water below 30 degrees. This becomes an issue with snow blowers.

Lastly, automobiles have fuel injection. They have not had carburetors since the 1970’s. Ethanol is not an issue with fuel injectors. However, my Tacoma pickup is designed for 10% Ethanol mix. It states right on the fuel cap to not fill with E85 (15% Ethanol).


49 posted on 12/19/2017 10:15:04 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: george76

All my small engines say thank you


50 posted on 12/19/2017 10:21:44 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: headstamp 2

When I put my small engines(Stihl trimmers and chainsaw) away for extended periods(like over the winter) I will run the Truefuel 2 cycle in them BEFORE I hang them up in the shed.

I also did this with my John Deere lawn tractor in the 4 cycle version prior to moth balling that for the winter. I mean moth balling too. I put moth balls in my wife’s old panty hose over the engine and around the seat. Mothballs keep the mice away.


51 posted on 12/19/2017 10:22:23 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963
E85 is 85% ethanol.
E15 is 15% ethanol.
52 posted on 12/19/2017 10:26:16 AM PST by speedracerx (The fate of our great nation lies in the hands of conservatives!)
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To: headstamp 2

I have had good luck with this one:

http://www.starbrite.com/startron

Star Tron fuel stabilizer.


53 posted on 12/19/2017 10:27:47 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: george76

Here in Alaska I’m stuck using ethanol-free gasoline.


54 posted on 12/19/2017 10:28:52 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: speedracerx

Sorry, I meant E15. Mea Culpa

My 2012 Tacoma manual states not to use E15.


55 posted on 12/19/2017 10:29:59 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: cymbeline
"...where are the complaints from the ordinary guy?"

Talk to any classic car owner who still has the original parts and you will hear: Ethanol will eventually cause rubber fuel system components to deteriorate and contaminate the fuel system. The list of items could include hoses, needle tips, some carb floats, fuel pump diaphragms both mechanical and electric—and that’s just to name a few.

The reason why is every time you open the gas cap to fuel up, you also allow water vapor in from the atmosphere. That's not usually a problem unless you have a gas tank that's 30 years or more. Ever seen the inside of a rusted gas tank? That rust goes through your lines into the engine. Unless specially coated like newer cars, older tanks rust just like any other basic steel material. I'm sure you've heard of body-rot. Also from air moisture.

I have a 1958 Chevy Impala "survivor" with mostly original parts. When I fill up, I use Ethanol Shield which keeps the water vapor from condensing into a liquid that settles in the parts stated above.

So there's your complaint from an ordinary guy. Don't believe me? Google ethanol+water+damage.

56 posted on 12/19/2017 10:46:33 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: george76

The process of converting corn (food) into fuel is foolish. A 25-gallon tank of ethanol requires 450 pounds of corn to produce. This equates to roughly the calories required to feed a person for a year. It takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than the gallon of ethanol provides. In a free market economy ethanol would not be blended with gasoline.


57 posted on 12/19/2017 10:48:11 AM PST by Saltmeat
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To: headstamp 2
"I use “Ethanol Shield” for everything else. Works better as a stabilizer than anything else I’ve tried. Stabil is garbage."

Agreed. It's the only thing I use in my '58 Impala with rubber fuel lines, stock fuel pump, and a 4bbl carb. It's the top reviewed product and most widely used by classic car owners.

58 posted on 12/19/2017 10:54:19 AM PST by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: george76

Also draining the Ogallala Aquifer in areas added for corn cultivation to support ethanol.


59 posted on 12/19/2017 11:10:14 AM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: McGruff

They are already split anyway.


60 posted on 12/19/2017 11:19:41 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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