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Net neutrality dies, and the second great equalizer returns to its former glory
American Thinker ^ | December 16, 2017 | Gary Gindler

Posted on 12/16/2017 7:45:40 AM PST by WWII_Historian

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To: SandRat

Spell check is your friend....


21 posted on 12/16/2017 9:02:58 AM PST by sleepwalker (The future is so bright, I gotta wear shades)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Anything that starves Hollywood is a good thing, anyway.


22 posted on 12/16/2017 9:07:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Democrat_media

Thanks for posting this excellent summary of what just happened:

Yesterday Trump literally saved the Internet and freedom

1. The Internet grew very well for 20 years without Obama’s and soros’ “net neutrality”

2. Pai the FCC commissioner said in a video while being grilled by liberal rags like politico that a lot of small isps have not been able to expand their network because Obama passed this net neutrality bit of communism in 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrJe6fk_h94

3. Net Neutrality was just one move in a sequence of events to completely take over the internet. A sequence that happened so slowly none of you noticed it happening at all: This lays it all out :
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/152760068/the-globalist-takeover-of-the-internet

4.Soros funded and is behind this “net neutrality”
http://ijr.com/2015/03/270555-soros-groups-dropped-82-million-push-net-neutrality-interesting-thing-happened-placeholder/

5. This Net Neutrality would have allowed government to control the Internet which was their goal not any money savings or whatever their stupid spin is. We dodged a bullet and Trump literally saved America again.

6. We have 3 years of freedom left or 7 if Trump wins in 2020. not much longer once the marxists get their Net neutrality back in place many of you even here believe will be “good” for you. get a clue

You believed the communists’ (democrats) lies .


23 posted on 12/16/2017 9:08:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Build Kate's wall! Keep illegals and illegal murderers/criminals out of America! MAGA! SLAP ACT!!)
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To: SandRat
All I get is Fahrenheit 451 results. I've watched that one before. Is yours a new one perhaps?
24 posted on 12/16/2017 9:25:40 AM PST by BipolarBob (At one time I held the world record as the worlds youngest person on the planet.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Net Neutrality is the government forcing the auto makers to manufacture and sell only Pintos, because some snowflakes think it's unfair that some could buy a Ferrari. And no options like FM radio in your Pinto.
25 posted on 12/16/2017 9:29:56 AM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: BipolarBob

Nope. Go ahead and delete or ignore it


26 posted on 12/16/2017 9:32:40 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Auntie Dem

Excellent summary. Also, limiting your internet speed limits streaming and then cutting your cable.

“Net Neutrality is the government forcing the auto makers to manufacture and sell only Pintos, because some snowflakes think it’s unfair that some could buy a Ferrari. And no options like FM radio in your Pinto.”


27 posted on 12/16/2017 9:52:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Build Kate's wall! Keep illegals and illegal murderers/criminals out of America! MAGA! SLAP ACT!!)
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To: BipolarBob
"I'm not sure what Ferinhigt 453* is, but it sounds series. "

Fahrenheit 451 Book and movie about censorship. 451 degrees Fahrenheit refers to the temperature at which paper ignites (as in burning books)

28 posted on 12/16/2017 9:54:59 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Yeah I’ve watched that movie. And I knew about the paper burning reason for title. But I thought possibly this was a new movie instead of a misspelling.


29 posted on 12/16/2017 10:26:33 AM PST by BipolarBob (At one time I held the world record as the worlds youngest person on the planet.)
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To: WWII_Historian
My ISP is Verizon, not my favorite company in the world, but at least they recognize that their business is facilitating electrons over wires [photons over fiber these days]. If they start to mess with that there are all kinds of other options - cell for one, satellite, cable, etc.

I would imagine that lots of companies would love to have the competitive advantage of not messing with their customers access to the internet when some other big player decides to.

30 posted on 12/16/2017 11:05:44 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: SandRat

Did you mean Fahrenheit 451?


31 posted on 12/16/2017 12:28:15 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway

tep


32 posted on 12/16/2017 1:52:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: WWII_Historian

This article is total lies. Net neutrality is a feature that the internet always has had. It’s not a change made by Obama. There was no change, just a codification of the way the internet always worked. This new ruling by Trump will allow a change.

There is a false implication going around that somehow, net neutrality is like the “fairness doctrine” in broadcasting and that it was used by Obama to somehow crack down on conservatives. That’s not what NN means at all. It’s technical concept about how internet traffic flows.

I cannot believe the level of craziness that has infected conservatives and other right wing people on this issue in the last few months. It’s just like the pro-Iraq war hysteria.

People are mindlessly taking sides on this when they don’t understand it at all just to be contrary to what some liberals are saying. That’s not a smart way to decide policy issues.

This is going to to backfire, just like the Iraq war did. When Comcast starts giving slower speeds to websites that allow “hate speech” and then blocks access entirely, people are going to be sorry. We are seeing the same phenomenon here with the mindless group think, lack of knowledge about the facts and triumphalism before the results are in as we saw in the build up to the Iraq debacle.


33 posted on 12/16/2017 2:12:44 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: BipolarBob; SandRat
I'm not sure what Ferinhigt 453* is, but it sounds series.

I don't think even Ray Bradbury knows. Seems his thermometer only went to Fahrenheit 451.

34 posted on 12/16/2017 3:07:01 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: BipolarBob
But I thought possibly this was a new movie instead of a misspelling.

Wasn't that a docu-comedy by Michael "Fat-a$$" Moore a few years ago? It certainly sounds like his style.

35 posted on 12/16/2017 3:14:37 PM PST by ssaftler ("Tolerant liberals" is an oxymoron.)
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To: WatchungEagle

It’s not the age of dial up.

Net neutrality is a giant subsidy to streaming media companies. In exchange the government gets to censor content. That’s all it is.

Curious ...are you satisfied with the cell phone market or do you think it needs to be regulated by government to be more “fair” and “neutral”?

From the thread:
“2. Pai the FCC commissioner said in a video while being grilled by liberal rags like politico that a lot of small isps have not been able to expand their network because Obama passed this net neutrality bit of communism in 2015.”

You know why ISP’s couldn’t expand under Net Neutrality? Because they had to use their profits to increase bandwidth to comply with NN requirements enforced by the government. Prior to Net Neutrality ISPs could either expand their market, their bandwidth or a combination thereof. What existed was robust competition among ISPs for market share and level of service needed to satisfy their customers. Similar to the cell phone market. With Net Neutrality ISPs had to upgrade bandwidth to support NN requirements, rather than their market and customers. As a result competition among the ISPs declined and the ISP market stagnated.

Here’s the issue in a nutshell. By 2015 big streaming services like Netflix, Google/YouTube and Facebook were hitting a limit on expanding their markets. Cities and many suburbs had the bandwidth for streaming but most locations beyond that did not. The big streaming services effectively had their customer base limited by the capability of smaller ISPs to upgrade bandwidth to support streaming services. So the big media streamers came up with NN which required smaller ISPs to upgrade their existing bandwidth to support streaming vice using their profits to compete with other ISPs for market share.

The effect was Net Neutrality used the government to expand the streaming media’s market share earning them new customers and additional profits at the expense of smaller ISPs and lower usage customers who, in effect, had to pay for what others needed.

Now the internet returns to what it was pre-2015. Ppl who want streaming may need to go with an ISP and service package that supports it while others can choose a lower bandwidth package supporting their usage.

Pre-2015 I was capped by Verizon to 3.5MB/sec. I never noticed it except for torrent downloads. So what?

Just the increased competition among ISPs should result in decreased costs and increased service for customers. Ppl who need streaming should be able to freely seek the ISP which offers them the best service. They will have a larger choice of ISPs. And people who don’t use a lot of streaming won’t be forced to subsidize streaming companies and their customers. Aka back to the free market capitalism that built the internet and made it what it is.


36 posted on 12/18/2017 5:21:01 AM PST by Justa
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To: WatchungEagle

The internet actually grew faster than anything in history for all the time before your obama’s and soros “net neutrality” bs was passed in mid 2015. There is no such thing as net neutrality or man made global warming or man made climate change etc. it’s all just communism/socialism/ marxism. Read Karl marx’s book to see your net neutrality

Yesterday Trump literally saved the Internet and freedom

1. The Internet grew very well for 20 years without Obama’s and soros’ “net neutrality”

2. Pai the FCC commissioner said in a video while being grilled by liberal rags like politico that a lot of small isps have not been able to expand their network because Obama passed this net neutrality bit of communism in 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrJe6fk_h94

3. Net Neutrality was just one move in a sequence of events to completely take over the internet. A sequence that happened so slowly none of you noticed it happening at all: This lays it all out :
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/152760068/the-globalist-takeover-of-the-internet

4.Soros funded and is behind this “net neutrality”
http://ijr.com/2015/03/270555-soros-groups-dropped-82-million-push-net-neutrality-interesting-thing-happened-placeholder/

5. This Net Neutrality would have allowed government to control the Internet which was their goal not any money savings or whatever their stupid spin is. We dodged a bullet and Trump literally saved America again.

6. We have 3 years of freedom left or 7 if Trump wins in 2020. not much longer once the marxists get their Net neutrality back in place many of you even here believe will be “good” for you. get a clue

You believed the communists’ (democrats) lies .


37 posted on 12/19/2017 12:39:43 PM PST by Democrat_media (Mueller doing coup vs Trump. Obama was adding 97,000 pages of government regulations /year)
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To: Justa

The internet was created by the Federal government, not by free markets.


38 posted on 12/19/2017 1:57:22 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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