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Video Shows Daniel Shaver Pleading for His Life Before Being Shot by Officer
New York Times ^ | Dec. 9 2018 | Vivian Wang

Posted on 12/10/2017 7:45:49 AM PST by WilliamIII

Newly released body camera footage shows a police officer shooting an unarmed man in an Arizona hotel after the man sobbed and pleaded with officers not to shoot him.

The graphic video, which was released after a jury on Thursday acquitted the officer of murder and manslaughter charges, stoked outrage on social media and renewed calls for reforms in law enforcement.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: danielshaver; donutwatch; leo; leooutofcontrol; philipbrailsford; shaver; shooting; simonsays
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1 posted on 12/10/2017 7:45:49 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

I don’t understand why the command of “crawl towards me” was given. It seems like an odd command. To crawl, ones arms/hands are low; thus, they aren’t as visible as other commands. I have to wonder if the command of “lie flat on the ground with your arms extended and don’t move” would have been better?


2 posted on 12/10/2017 7:50:02 AM PST by momtothree
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To: WilliamIII

Sorry. Not giving the New York Slimes the click that they covet.

3 posted on 12/10/2017 7:50:14 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: WilliamIII

If I wanted to shoot a cop.... One thing I might do is act like I didn’t want him to shoot me and cry and then reach quickly for my waistband.


4 posted on 12/10/2017 7:52:36 AM PST by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: momtothree

Another oddball command that police shout is “STAND DOWN!” which can be completely misinterpreted when staring at a couple of AR-15 rifles.

5 posted on 12/10/2017 7:53:37 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: Az Joe

That’s utterly stupid. Pulling up one’s underwear is not a capital offense.

This cop was looking for a reason to kill.


6 posted on 12/10/2017 7:59:42 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Blue Jays

I have a few law enforcement friends in my county and state police. One of the MAJOR things they learn in rookie school is how felony stop commands can become a nightmare if the verbal commands aren’t clear (and to be honest simple). For example, they had an instructor act out the command of the rookie.. to a T. From my understanding, it became hilarious because one command would be “raise your arms to the sky” and the next would be “show me your hands”. Thus, a contradiction. They then were trained to keep it simple and focus on the end result: being that the suspect was cuffed ASAP and disabling his or her ability to reach into (or appear to reach into) a shoe, belt, etc... The easiest command in this situation would have been to reach for the sky, keep reaching and get on your knees, keep arms reaching and lie flat. The person’s arm would have been in view.


7 posted on 12/10/2017 8:00:57 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Az Joe

If I wanted to shoot a cop.... One thing I might do is ..”

Look at him crosswise first ...


8 posted on 12/10/2017 8:03:00 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: Hugh the Scot

Well, considering the shooter had “You’re f—ked” carved into the dust case of the rifle he used to shoot Shriver, I suspect you’re right.

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/08/video-shooting-daniel-shaver/


9 posted on 12/10/2017 8:04:55 AM PST by KansasGirl (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." Thomas Paine)
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To: Az Joe

Come on. Did you watch the video? The thug cop murdered Shaver in cold blood.


10 posted on 12/10/2017 8:07:24 AM PST by dinodino
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To: momtothree
I don’t understand why the command of “crawl towards me” was given. It seems like an odd command. To crawl, ones arms/hands are low; thus, they aren’t as visible as other commands. I have to wonder if the command of “lie flat on the ground with your arms extended and don’t move” would have been better?
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If this was his training, I would like to know what ever happened the KISS [keep it simple stupid] training admonishment? There are a lot of physical movements going on in a crawl that only increases an officer's stress level. The first objective should be to immobilize the suspects movements, not have him moving around.
11 posted on 12/10/2017 8:07:41 AM PST by iontheball
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To: WilliamIII

That is what murder looks like.
Reason #1,832 to avoid police.


13 posted on 12/10/2017 8:11:35 AM PST by glasseye ("24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not." ~ H. L. Mencken)
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To: momtothree

Cops often give conflicting orders often at Level 10 intensity and at the top of their lungs.

My thought is, lay on the floor face down with hands extended wall above your head palms up and don’t move until you’re cuffed.


14 posted on 12/10/2017 8:12:54 AM PST by Fhios (Down with your fascism, up with our fascism.)
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To: KansasGirl

We did this. By allowing police extra rights that every other citizen doesn’t possess. The only important thing is that the officer went home to his family at the end of the day. (No matter how many citizens he murdered to get there.)


15 posted on 12/10/2017 8:13:21 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: KansasGirl

Didn’t the police department fired both the shooter and the officer giving the commands?

Sad situation. The shooting victim appears to be cooperating to the best of his ability, IMO. He was clearly terrified and distraught, and given the officers confusing demands, I’m not surprised he messed up.


16 posted on 12/10/2017 8:13:50 AM PST by KansasGirl (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." Thomas Paine)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
That so-called cop should be hunted down and executed like a rabid dog. If he is still allowed in the police force he will not last very long.

If he's smart, he'll join the TSA.

17 posted on 12/10/2017 8:16:41 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: WilliamIII
NO SHOTS WERE FIRED. The person calling could have been wrong about seeing his airsoft rifle out the window also. This piece of shit "cop" had "You're F**ked" printed on the side of his AR15...but the judge CENSORED this fact from the jury! He never took the gun off the boy, never pointed it near the girl. He threatened to kill him. He wanted to kill him. And he got his wish. Insane injustice.
18 posted on 12/10/2017 8:18:55 AM PST by montag813
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To: glasseye

This time the police came to him, thanks to some idiot citizen who saw him with a scary air rifle.


19 posted on 12/10/2017 8:20:53 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Az Joe
If I wanted to shoot a cop.... One thing I might do is act like I didn’t want him to shoot me and cry and then reach quickly for my waistband.

And lie flat on the ground (which clearly showed you had NO guns in your back waistband) so he can cuff you? Seriously? The retarded psycho ("cop") who murdered him had ample opportunity to cuff him, as did the pussies who filled the hallway with him.

This is the result of the militarization of American police, coupled with lowered standards. There's a Costco where an employee serving cheese samples who held a 2.5" cheese knife up at a female police officer. She refused to put it down, but did not approach her. She was shot dead at 12 feet. Insanity.

20 posted on 12/10/2017 8:23:14 AM PST by montag813
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