“state and local taxes and property taxes “
The federal tax system should not be used to allow states and municipalities to raise their taxes.
These taxes are as high as they are partly because the federal tax system gives a break for having paid them.
The real reason for the dems opposing the changes is that to them, the tax system is sacred, up there with abortion and false charges of racism. The tax system takes money from those who earn it and gives it to those who vote democrat.
You’re parroting Ryan’s talking points. I already posted a couple of links you need to read more closely.
„state and local taxes and property taxes “
The federal tax system should not be used to allow states and municipalities to raise their taxes.
These taxes are as high as they are partly because the federal tax system gives a break for having paid them.
The real reason for the dems opposing the changes is that to them, the tax system is sacred, up there with abortion and false charges of racism. The tax system takes money from those who earn it and gives it to those who vote democrat.“
this is correct
When this country was created, the Founding Fathers had the presence of mind to limit voting to landowners (as there was no income or sales tax yet) - they were the only taxpayers, and there was no reason to let others who could simply pick up & leave (those not taxed anyway) determine how those taxes should be spent.
The relationship between taxation and representation has become so skewed that while there are other means by which people are forced to contribute (income and sales taxes, for instance), we DO allow people who pay NONE of those to vote. People who pay their own rent indirectly pay property taxes, so it makes no sense to limit the voting to actual property owners (I am a homeowner but concede these people are taxed indirectly). The problem is people who have “the government” (meaning us, the taxpayers) pay for their rent and groceries are paying NOTHING in terms of property or sales taxes - and to qualify often have to be exempt from income tax as well (if they even bother working). This situation creates a caste of parasites that will always vote Democrat; if they were prevented from voting the party itself would disappear. The remaining parasite caste (government employees) simply isn’t large enough (yet) to carry elections on their own.
“”These taxes are as high as they are partly because the federal tax system gives a break for having paid them.””
Utter BS. Taxes are high because governments spend too much - across the board.
The amount of federal taxes reduced by my deduction of property taxes is almost nothing.
There is a surprisingly small sliver of the tax-paying public that is actually affected by this provision. Because the personal exemption has been made SO large (and I recall a time when the “personal exemption” was only $600 per person), that for the vast majority of people it makes no sense to itemize your return.
State and local taxes, including property taxes, are really a much more responsive way to tax people than through a Federal income tax system that REWARDS rapacious tax collection by the state and local governments. If taxes are too high, that only feeds applying more and more largesse upon those who pay NO taxes.
Taxes do not have to support a military force for the individual states, not even through the state militia, which is largely funded by the Department of Defense, as an auxiliary army reserve to be called up in times of crisis. State militia, of course, have other purposes not restricted simply to the military defense of the nation, as they also have rescue and restoration functions at the state level.
Local and state law enforcement actually take up a relatively small part of the state budget. Much if not most of the budgets are consumed by social service programs including welfare programs in which there is little or no incentive to return ANY of the clients, many of which are potentially competent wage earners, to productive employment. There is a small minority for which the state services are justified, but most of the rest are simply collectors of income flow in no way relating to the overall productivity of the population of the state.
“The tax system takes money from those who earn it and gives it to those who vote democrat.”
In this case, the system will take money from those who earn it an give it to Republican donors. And, they’ll tak more than the Democrats.
Dang it!
So anything that leaves more money in the hands of the people is bad because it lets states raise taxes? That’s what you are saying.
Would you not rather require us all to take vacations instead of paying more federal income taxes? That also would reduce the amount states could commandeer.
Good intentions, bad logic.
The function of federal taxes is not to limit what states can collect from the pittance left.
Moreover, Federal tax receipts should be limited as much as possible, because starving (or at least imposing a diet upon) a government is one of the most effective steps in limiting the POWER of government to abuse We the People, LIMITS on government being the center of the genius of orthodox Americanism.
It is FEDERAL power that must first be subjugated to the individual sovereign states, not vice versa.
SO, to lower state taxes, fight at the STATE level to have low taxes. That’s what we should do.
Don’t advocate letting the feds run wild taking our money, thinking that it prevents states from being able to tax us after we are put upon by the feds. If you read anywhere that idea, it is not a source to be trusted.
Do not countenance the idea that the FEDS ought to be allowed to “double tax” money (often money we HAD to earn to pay taxes on the homes we live in) just so states cannot bear to tax us more because of the high taxes we will owe to the feds.
That’s advocating for an out of control Federal Government.
Double taxing is evil. It should not be condoned.
(I guess I repeated myself there a bit but it bears repeating!)