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Botched Air Force handling of Texas shooter's criminal history may be 'systemic' issue
Fox News ^ | Nov. 8, 2017 | Greg Norman

Posted on 11/08/2017 6:18:46 AM PST by libstripper

The Air Force’s failure to report Texas church shooter Devin Kelley’s domestic violence conviction to the FBI -- a misstep that left the door open for Kelley to buy weapons -- is a systemic issue in its criminal investigations unit, according to a 2015 Pentagon analysis and a former Air Force agent who spoke to Fox News.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: airforce; banglist; devinpatrickkelley; fbi; screwup; txmasssacre; usaf
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Another screwup by Obola's sodomized, feminized, and demoralized military that produced 26 dead innocent people.
1 posted on 11/08/2017 6:18:46 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

At the time of conviction, it should go to the FBI....not at the time of discharge.


2 posted on 11/08/2017 6:22:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: libstripper

Of course he would have either used a straw purchase or gone to a gun show.


3 posted on 11/08/2017 6:22:57 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: libstripper

““It’s a combination of laziness and people being overworked,” a former Air Force Office of Special Investigations agent, who wished to remain anonymous, told Fox News on Tuesday.”

Anyone who has dealt with a government office understands what the anonymous agent is saying. Underperformance, that wouldn’t be tolerated in a private business, is the rule.


4 posted on 11/08/2017 6:25:44 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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To: libstripper

““It’s a combination of laziness and people being overworked,” a former Air Force Office of Special Investigations agent, who wished to remain anonymous, told Fox News on Tuesday.”

Anyone who has dealt with a government office understands what the anonymous agent is saying. Underperformance, that wouldn’t be tolerated in a private business, is the rule.


5 posted on 11/08/2017 6:25:46 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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To: libstripper
Perhaps, but the underlying question from a Second Amendment point of view is should a "domestic violence" misdemeanor conviction make someone a prohibited person.

When the Lautenberg amendment was passed, many thousands of military and police lost their jobs because they retroactively became prohibited persons. Many if not most took a misdemeanor plea deal to avoid a costly trial because of accusations made by wives during divorce proceedings. Ten years later, the Lautenberg amendment causes them to lose their jobs and their firearms.

If Kelley's conviction could have resulted in a sentence longer than one year, that alone would make him a prohibited person and should have been reported to the FBI. I do not feel that a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction should make one prohibited.

6 posted on 11/08/2017 6:27:17 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: libstripper

The question nobody’s asking:

HOW MANY OTHERS JUST LIKE HIM ARE OUT THERE AND THEIR NAMES AREN’T IN THE DATABASE?..................


7 posted on 11/08/2017 6:28:01 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: libstripper

The air Force shows what we already know...government is incompetent...which is why I will never turn my safety over to it!!!!


8 posted on 11/08/2017 6:28:45 AM PST by ontap
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To: ontap

Every one of the mass killings has had at least some presence of government incompetence involved.


9 posted on 11/08/2017 6:30:55 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: libstripper

The laws we already have on the books weren’t followed. So now the progressives want to follow up with more laws that will effectively disarm the heros who chased this shooter and directly or indirectly caused his death.


10 posted on 11/08/2017 6:36:25 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: libstripper

Yep, background checks are also for figuring out pedophiles as well as violent criminals, how far does this ineffective background check problem go?


11 posted on 11/08/2017 6:37:59 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Red Badger
HOW MANY OTHERS JUST LIKE HIM ARE OUT THERE AND THEIR NAMES AREN’T IN THE DATABASE?..................

And how many perfectly innocent people ARE in the database for the same reason?


12 posted on 11/08/2017 6:42:42 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Red Badger

That should be pretty easy to look up if somewhat tedious.


13 posted on 11/08/2017 6:44:46 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

A LAZY BUREAUCRAT is not likely to add names, only not enter them................


14 posted on 11/08/2017 6:47:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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I bet a computer program could do it in seconds.....................


15 posted on 11/08/2017 6:54:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Soul of the South

Also seems to be a case of “make work,” the help AFOSI justify manning and budget levels.

I have been told that “federal agents” must enter the information into the database. Fine, but in the shooter’s case, the prosecution was handled by the Holloman AFB JAG office, and most of the information came from local police, since Kelley (apparently) lived off base.

Wouldn’t it be more logical for the prosecutor’s office that obtained the conviction to enter it into the system? Instead, it’s passed on to AFOSI, which has other matters on the proverbial plate. Clearly, entering conviction data wasn’t a top priority in the Kelley case for the detachment at Holloman, and there may be many reason for that.

Among them: deployments; AFOSI sends agents to the war zones on a recurring basis, and if the det was down an agent or two, there’s less manpower available, even for straight-forward tasks like entering federal convictions into the national database.

Additionally, I’ve been told that AFOSI and Army CID in the southwest region are spending an increasing amount of time running down suspected cases of ISIS infiltration along the southern border. Obviously, the border patrol takes the lead in such matters, but there has been concern about the ISIS threat to military bases in the region for a number of years. I was making frequent trips to Fort Bliss back in 2013, and the base suddenly implemented a number of new security measures after a quick review. The Army claimed the upgrades were routine, but they came after reports of ISIS activity along the border, and claims of training camps across the river from El Paso.

Such factors don’t excuse the AFOSI screw-up in this case. But part of the post-mortem should be a determination of OSI is the best organization to enter conviction data. I’d argue that OSI, NCIS and CID all need to focus on their primary missions and let someone else handle the data entry tasks.


16 posted on 11/08/2017 6:54:38 AM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Red Badger

HOW MANY OTHERS JUST LIKE HIM ARE OUT THERE AND THEIR NAMES AREN’T IN THE DATABASE?..................
= = =

The Libs think that would be all the rest of us.


17 posted on 11/08/2017 6:54:53 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: Morpheus2009

“...how far does this ineffective background check problem go?”

Down home, those who wanted to work, but were unhirable in the private sector took a civil service exam and went to work for the government. It was often a make-work, or at best, data entry position. Thing is, if you stay, they promote you. In 20 years you have a moron that can’t be fired in charge of a department. Example: DMV


18 posted on 11/08/2017 6:56:07 AM PST by bk1000 (I stand with Trump.)
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To: Red Badger

Agree. Anyone who has served and/or worked in civil service knows that many of the workers will only do the bare minimum to get by. There is no ownership and no innovation, largely because often people are actively discouraged from rocking the boat, taking on extra work, and making the other, lazy workers look bad by comparison. Sad, but the absolute truth.


19 posted on 11/08/2017 6:56:50 AM PST by binreadin
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To: binreadin

I know.
I’ve worked with them, as a civilian contractor.

Government employees have no motivation to get better, only get by........................


20 posted on 11/08/2017 6:58:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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