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This Man Could Have Kept Vietnam From Communists, But Kennedy Admin Okayed His Assassination (TR)
The Federalist ^ | November 2, 2017 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 11/03/2017 9:00:28 AM PDT by Perseverando

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Thank you democrats for another total fiasco (words fail me) resulting in the combined deaths of 58,000 plus U.S. military personnel and wounds to hundreds of thousands more.

Then there were the millions of South and North Vietnamese injured and killed during the war, followed by the "re-education" camp phase after the war ended.

I don't even want to think about the hundred of billions of dollars wasted on a needless neocon global war for someone else's democracy that never happened.

Vietnam War casualties

1 posted on 11/03/2017 9:00:28 AM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

“Diem, the Ideal Vietnamese Leader “

My wife would not agree.


2 posted on 11/03/2017 9:02:41 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: Perseverando

We have a long history of getting rid of foreign leaders who were successfully accomplishing the thing we wanted them to accomplish.

Diem
Shah of Iran
Ghadaffi
plenty of others.


3 posted on 11/03/2017 9:03:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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To: Perseverando

The dude was corrupt as hell. Then he was a Catholic and determined to keep Buddhists in their place. Its retarded to think he could have changed the outcome of the war.


4 posted on 11/03/2017 9:04:57 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“We have a long history of getting rid of foreign leaders who were successfully accomplishing the thing we wanted them to accomplish.

Diem”

LOL!


5 posted on 11/03/2017 9:06:30 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: DesertRhino

“The dude was corrupt as hell. Then he was a Catholic and determined to keep Buddhists in their place. Its retarded to think he could have changed the outcome of the war.”

AMEN! And remember Buddhists were about 75% of the population.


6 posted on 11/03/2017 9:08:07 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: Perseverando

I remember those days and how Madam Nhu was considered to be the equivalent of a “Dragon Lady”.
When they were overthrown, the joke was..”No Nhus is good news.”


7 posted on 11/03/2017 9:09:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: DesertRhino

Agree. It is generally regarded that assassinating him was a ham-handed mistake at best and a disaster at worst, but I don’t think it would have changed history either way, although my opinion is that ultimately he would have probably been more helpful than not.


8 posted on 11/03/2017 9:11:42 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Perseverando

Yes. No one said anything at the time. It was all Camelot, Camelot, Camelot, and JFK was perfect. Sure, he may have made a few little mistakes in the Bay of Pigs, or the Cuban Missile Crisis, or, etc., etc., but he was still picture perfect!

I first learned about the assassination when I read the complete report on Tricky Dick’s Watergate scandal in the NY Times. There was a whole section of the paper, maybe 20 pages, that included every word. Buried in the middle was a short statement about how JFK sent the CIA to assassinate the Catholic President of South Vietnam, because the Buddhists were mad at him and a monk had committed suicide.

JFK was the first openly Catholic President, and he had a terrible time explaining that he wasn’t about to do whatever the Pope told him to. He leaned over backward to show that he wasn’t a Catholic. And he just HAD to murder his faithful ally in Vietnam because he didn’t want to be known as a CATHOLIC! Never mind that behind the scenes he was one of the worst Catholics ever, with at least two or three adulterous affairs every day.

So, he murdered our ally, who was brilliantly fighting the war with our minor help. With him gone, we either had to give up the whole area to the Communists, or we had to send in numberless troops to die in the jungles.

Every war JFK fought was just dreadful, and required the sacrifice of unprecedented numbers of drafted troops.


9 posted on 11/03/2017 9:11:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Perseverando

Interesting, November 2, 1963 Diem, 20 days later, Kennedy.


10 posted on 11/03/2017 9:14:46 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: Perseverando

Wasn’t it Diem and his brother as well?

Bobby & JFK had that blood on their hands


11 posted on 11/03/2017 9:22:51 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: Cicero

” who was brilliantly fighting the war with our minor help.”

ROTFLMAO!


12 posted on 11/03/2017 9:24:47 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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" And remember Buddhists were about 75% of the population."

Wrong.
Wrong by a country mile.

Buddhists have never been more than about a 15% minority in VietNam, even combining the North and South.

The vast majority of VietNanese, primarily of the Kinh (Viet) ethnic group practice a folk religion that is based on ancestral and nature worship.

Buddhists simply appeared to be prominent in that they were used as shills both by the Communists and the foreign (including American) press.

13 posted on 11/03/2017 9:26:32 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: TexasGator

“My wife would not agree.”

Interested readers would like to know why.


14 posted on 11/03/2017 9:27:22 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Cicero
"because the Buddhists were mad at him and a monk had committed suicide."


15 posted on 11/03/2017 9:30:06 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: DesertRhino
The Communists infiltrated South Vietnam shortly after it was formed in 1954.

Diem's government won the war against the communists in the 1950’s. The Kennedy administration made the deal with the Communists in Laos the enabled the communists to build the Ho Chi Minh trail and infiltrate large numbers of North Vietnamese troops.

The Kennedy administration undermined the
Diem government. They then recruited corrupt military officials to murder ?Diem and his family.

Shortly after Diem was killed there was no stability as coup after coup took over south Viet Nam. LBJ then sent over 500.000 US troops into South Vietnam and had no strategy to win.

Diem was less corrupt than the governments that replaced him. Diem was less corrupt than LBJ.

If Diem had been supported there would have not have been the need for the large American military presence. South Vietnam woul not have turned communist.

16 posted on 11/03/2017 9:30:51 AM PDT by detective
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To: Wuli

“Interested readers would like to know why.”

She was a Buddhist in a country that was over 75% Buddhist but she and many others had to hide their religion.

Her classmates ‘disappeared’.

Her neighbors ‘disappeared’.

He was a cruel dictator.


17 posted on 11/03/2017 9:33:10 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: Cicero

The Kennedy-Johnson team knocked off a man they did not like and by doing so and agreeing to a coup, they insured that Ho Chi Min could easily sell, to Vietnamese north and south, the idea that every government in the south after that was just an American puppet. Nice going.

Not a good way to ‘prevent’ a war.


18 posted on 11/03/2017 9:33:10 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: PROCON

Ping to an interesting article.


19 posted on 11/03/2017 9:33:23 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: TexasGator

The President and a third of the people were Catholic, because it had been a French colony, until the French left.

The Buddhists wanted their freedom, and at first considered the Catholics as their primary enemies, to be revolted against. After some years, they learned better, especially after watching Pol Pot kill millions of Buddhists for no particular reason, except that he felt like it. Most of the South Vietnam Buddhists came to understand that Communists were their worst enemies, not French Catholics. But the stupid liberals in the press here in America thought it was an evil war, and that it would be better to turn the whole of Southeast Asia over to the Communists. Meanwhile, instead of being advisers to the Vietnamese, our troops became the primary fighters, and endless lives were lost in the process. There would have been at least hundreds of thousands fewer Americans killed there if JFK hadn’t murdered our ally, and the Buddhists would have come around and realized that Catholics were less deadly to them than maniac Communists.


20 posted on 11/03/2017 9:39:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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