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First details emerge of GOP's sweeping tax bill
The Hill ^ | 11/02/2017 | NAOMI JAGODA AND SCOTT WONG

Posted on 11/02/2017 7:21:40 AM PDT by GIdget2004

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To: GIdget2004
Let's see..."tax cuts for the rich?

Or, "women and children hit hardest?"

Will Chuck and Nancy opt for hankies, or Kleenex?

Questions...questions...

61 posted on 11/02/2017 8:08:55 AM PDT by daler
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To: MMaschin

It’s THE most important factor in assessing the plan.


62 posted on 11/02/2017 8:09:43 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: GIdget2004
The legislation would also taxpayers to deduct their state and local property taxes, but only up to $10,000.

Then limit school taxes per house to $10,000. I'm sick of outrageous state taxes for social programs and skyrocketing school taxes in New York. I can only hope this enrages enough New Yorkers to finally take on the corrupt and expensive public school systems across the state. I may become very active in this movement as it's getting ridiculous.

63 posted on 11/02/2017 8:10:33 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: crz

It’s just a matter of time, isn’t it?

Right now, today, service on the national debt is the 5th largest federal expense right after Medicaid and Medicare/health (#1) SS (#2), non-defense expenditures (#3), and defense (#4).

In 2016 the feds took in a whopping $3.3 trillion in revenues... and then spent $3.9 trillion that year. That is crazy and totally unsustainable.


64 posted on 11/02/2017 8:10:48 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: GIdget2004
Home builders are not happy.

Nope - they are opposing the bill.

Expect Ryan to threaten, strong arm, obfuscate, and have a hissy fit.

But I don't trust Ryan. At all, given his past performance in budget matters, as in 2013.



65 posted on 11/02/2017 8:11:25 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Mariner
None will vote for this bill as it would be suicide for them. Their core constituency gets hammered.

Unless they get their states to cap local taxes to 10,000. Frankly my school taxes are higher than that - it's robbery. We need school reform in NYS.

66 posted on 11/02/2017 8:11:36 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: SkyPilot

“If you itemize, own a home, and live in a high tax state, you are going to be paying more in this bill because they already told us they are eliminating or limiting certain deductions.”

Frankly, it’s impossible to say that answer without seeing the brackets.


67 posted on 11/02/2017 8:11:38 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: Jonny7797
Frankly, it’s impossible to say that answer without seeing the brackets.

Frankly, this sounds like a new tax and not a tax cut for me.

68 posted on 11/02/2017 8:12:22 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Mariner

Nope - expect my AGI next year will be ~$260k (after ~40k going to 401k and NQDC) before the standard deduction. Would have been another $3,500 lower if I was still able to itemize and get personal exemptions.


69 posted on 11/02/2017 8:12:23 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Mariner

Pure speculation.


70 posted on 11/02/2017 8:12:27 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: GreyFriar

No. They eliminated the personal and dependent exemptions.
For example - we have 7 family members.
Eliminating the exemption adds to our taxable income by $28560.
The new standard deduction is approx $10k more than what we normally claim by itemizing.
So that leaves us with an additional $18560 in taxable income.
Depending on the brackets and details of child tax credit - we will pay about the same or pay an additional $2500.


71 posted on 11/02/2017 8:15:41 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Jonny7797
Partly true, however, this bill will raise people's taxes.

Even the White House has been admitting this for weeks.

Gary Cohn "can't guarantee" middle-class families won't pay more taxes

72 posted on 11/02/2017 8:15:57 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: NohSpinZone

Those cannot be right.

There is a bunch of income that is not taxed so does the 12% bracket start at $45K rather than up to $45K?


73 posted on 11/02/2017 8:16:21 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: GIdget2004
The deductibility of state and local taxes is simply a subsidy to high tax, high spending state and local governments. It is also regressive. It has always been bad policy. It should be eliminated now. Yes, there will be adjustment pains, but it is indefensible on the merits.

The deductibility of home mortgage interest is primarily a subsidy to mortgage lenders and realtors, who work on commission and who benefit from higher housing prices. For homebuyers, it inflates the initial price. Homebuyers of course eventually become home sellers and stand to recoup the artificial premium they paid at the front end, but over the life of the mortgage, it is essentially a wash. (While mortgage lenders and realtors cash in at both ends ....) Of course, most people don't understand this.

74 posted on 11/02/2017 8:18:54 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: GIdget2004
The legislation collapses the current seven brackets to four, with the top tax rate staying at 39.6 percent. The other individual rates in the bill are 12 percent, 25 percent and 35 percent.

The standard deduction is nearly doubled, while the child tax credit is increased from $1,000 to $1,600. The bill also creates a $300 credit for expenses related to the care of parents and non-child dependents, and it preserves the child and dependent care credit and the earned income tax credit.

The bill also repeals the alternative minimum tax. The amount of assets exempt from the estate tax would initially be doubled, and the tax would be repealed after six years.

The corporate tax rate would be lowered from 35 percent to 20 percent. The bill would also lower the top rate for non-corporate “pass-through” businesses from 39.6 percent to 25 percent.

Nice.

75 posted on 11/02/2017 8:19:05 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: NohSpinZone

If that turns out to be true, I will be totally screwed.


76 posted on 11/02/2017 8:19:17 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: GIdget2004

If you are not cutting the Tax Code from 9000 pages to less then 300 pages you are not doing anything constructive!


77 posted on 11/02/2017 8:20:28 AM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: NohSpinZone

So there is no 0% bracket?


78 posted on 11/02/2017 8:20:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Is there anything regarding the death tax?


79 posted on 11/02/2017 8:21:24 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Let's get Newt in there to help...)
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To: sphinx
The deductibility of state and local taxes is simply a subsidy to high tax, high spending state and local governments.

I hope that there is a revolution in New York to cut the taxes, state and school taxes are legal robbery. We can only hope this sparks a movement to cut these taxes, which means these states need to cut their spending.

80 posted on 11/02/2017 8:22:01 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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