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We spend more to jail our kids than to educate them. It’s time we stop
NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION ^ | October 24, 2017 | President, NEA. Lily Eskelsen García

Posted on 10/24/2017 5:02:30 PM PDT by mdittmar

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To: The Toll

Richard Pryor was right, “Thank God We Got Penitentiaries.”


81 posted on 10/25/2017 7:27:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Karliner

I favor one sentencing system for “kids” and adults. If a “kid” murders someone then they should get the death penalty or life without or whatever the judge decided. As they age they can move from one institution to the next one.


82 posted on 10/25/2017 7:31:05 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Ah! **Personal** attacks. Automatic Lose!
83 posted on 10/25/2017 7:40:54 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: A_perfect_lady; ROCKLOBSTER
More **personal** attacks.

You are a professional teacher so I **know** that you would never, never, never use personal attack on students who are emotionally immature and in an inferior position of power. Nope! A professional government teacher would **never** do that.

84 posted on 10/25/2017 7:44:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime
Oh, I'm sorry, was I supposed to treat you the same way I'd treat a 13 year old?

Actually, yes. The answer is yes, isn't it?

85 posted on 10/25/2017 8:05:41 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Until you have done the job

The "job" is bilking the taxpayers and I wouldn't be caught dead doing that. I'm a taxpayer. As a government parasite, you probably make at least 2-3 times per year what your average student's parent makes, and have more time off than the US Senate.

you know nothing.

I know the failed US education system is the laughing stock of the world. We spend obscene dollars per pupil and have the among the worst end-learning results on the planet.

A few years back we sent the best and brightest High School scholars for an international scholastic competition in Brussels. The big joke in Europe was how utterly stupid American students are....they're still laughing about it.

Then there's the Japanese system...compared to them....we're like Chimpanzees.

And the "graduates" are getting stupider every year.

Other than that, I need to "know nothing".

You are one of the "World's Most Expensive Babysitters".

So far you have failed to refute anything I have stated, so stop telling me how inept I am. Since you have not denied being a union-thug educRAT, I can only conclude I got that right. Since you have not denied by charges of illiteracy, no American history, no government, no morals, no life skills, lots of queer and slutty training, and since you have not revealed anything resembling the education I received in the 60s, I can only conclude I'm right there as well.

I doubt you are actually a conservative teacher, but rather pretending to be one on this forum, pimping the hated and corrupt public extortion system.

In fact, I even doubt that you are a female at all.

any adolescent could unravel you in 10 seconds flat.

I doubt that, they can't even write, make change or read a clock.

86 posted on 10/25/2017 8:18:57 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
You are right about one thing (and only one thing). The students we get today can't do much of anything. Can't read a clock. Can't do basic math. Can't read at grade level. Know why?

Their teachers are mostly liberals because conservatives WON'T DO THE JOB. Like someone who complains that garbage is piling up in the street but sneers that they are all too good to pick it up, you are the problem.

You abandoned America's children to liberals, and that is how they took over, simple as that. This mess took two forces to create: the force that abandoned the field, and the force that took over to fill that vacuum.

You think you're too good to teach? Just the opposite. You're not good enough.

87 posted on 10/25/2017 9:35:38 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Talk about myopic.

Can't read at grade level. Know why? Their teachers are mostly liberals because conservatives WON'T DO THE JOB.

WRONG!

The teachers are RAT because the entire system from janitor all the way up to DoED are RAT, with the RAT agenda of dumbing down America. If you don't get that, well, you're a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

conservatives WON'T DO THE JOB.

Of course they will. There are millions of conservative teachers. You're problem is; they're all in private or parochial schools...and are, by the way, BLOWING YOUR DOORS OFF!

You abandoned America's children to liberals, and that is how they took over, simple as that.

How do you figure "I" did that? They either retired or were run off, or left because they couldn't abide the communist claptrap. Many can't deal with the murdering trash that are today's kids...another fine product of the RATs...single mom families.

I suppose it's also my fault that the communists took over Hollywood, and the news industry, and the churches, and the Boy Scouts, and the race-baiting business.

You think you're too good to teach?

No, but I'm smart enough not to be the only conservative in a sea of barking moonbat "educRATs"...which apparently you are not.

You're not good enough.

You are America's ex-wife. How many times...five, six?

88 posted on 10/25/2017 10:13:25 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: morphing libertarian
If a “kid” murders someone then they should get the death penalty or life without or whatever the judge decided. As they age they can move from one institution to the next one.

That's what they do or used to I'm a retired psych nurse and worked with criminals and criminally insane adolescents. Murdering children and teens are a scary bunch. The bad thing is the State tries to show their system works and puts pressure on staff to get them out before they make it to age eighteen. Lot of problems in that last sentence. Creates conundrums and worse for those knowing patients and those in juvenile halls are not ready for the outside and yet it's usually a decision with Sacramento people and staff who work with them days and night are ignored for their graphs.

Judges listen to the psychiatrists and maybe, maybe call on staff but ultimately they read report summaries.I don't believe it's any better now. Ultimately it's the psychiatrist, the judge and the social worker(s). The initial court cases can take awhile and they decide whether they're tried as adults, go to Juvenile Hall or a state hospital etc. From there they get conservator-ships or have parents and advocates and up for review usually six months for minor and a year for the major crimes but they do try to push them to leave before their eighteenth birthday.

For the heinous crimes they go to prison but in state hospitals( think they're closed for under eighteen now) if they're still deemed dangerous they just got walked to adult units.

89 posted on 10/25/2017 11:29:01 PM PDT by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

No matter how you rage, the facts remain: the public schools are a disaster because conservatives abandoned them to liberals, and they will NEVER be closed or defunded because we’d have millions of feral children in the street all day. Conservatives (who refuse to help fix the situation) would be the first to whine about it. We need to take back the schools, not close them. But we’ll need people of commitment, intelligence, and a certain mental toughness, which you lack.


90 posted on 10/26/2017 5:34:52 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
the public schools are a disaster because conservatives abandoned them to liberals

Nobody but you believes this crackpot nonsense.

Elections mean things, the "conservatives" have never been in charge, not even now. Soviet provocateurs destroyed our culture in the 60s....they won.

Take your crazy talk somewhere else, we're all set here.

91 posted on 10/26/2017 6:15:42 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: mdittmar

Maybe is schools actually educated children then they wouldn’t be turn into criminals.


92 posted on 10/26/2017 6:21:25 AM PDT by CodeToad (CWII is coming. Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

More personal insult. You lose.


93 posted on 10/26/2017 7:11:14 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: A_perfect_lady; ROCKLOBSTER

” and a certain mental toughness, which you lack.”
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More personal insult.


94 posted on 10/26/2017 7:13:57 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime
More personal insult.

And a lie.

"It" is also a terrible debater....no rebuttal, just insults.

95 posted on 10/26/2017 7:27:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: Karliner

I worked for the CYA for 28 years. We went through cycles becoming more punishing (which was needed after decades of low sentencing). We can issue punishment which fits the crime and still treat them differently inside in terms of education etc.

Unrelated, the entire system now is loaded wth mental health cases. We have mental health cases on the street and 55% of inmates on, psychotropics. All to close the hospitals.

Best wishes.


96 posted on 10/26/2017 11:42:23 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: wintertime

He compared teachers to whores. If he can’t take it, he’d better not dish it out. And if he needs your skirts to hide behind, I’m definitely right about his lack of toughness.


97 posted on 10/26/2017 11:42:43 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: wintertime

I compared union-thug educRATagandists to whores. They are the government-school babysitters, who get the big bucks for doing the bidding of their pimps....the unions.

I am loathe to even call them “teachers”.


98 posted on 10/27/2017 8:49:37 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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