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The Republican civil war is spreading
The Week ^ | October 13th, 2017 | Paul Waldman

Posted on 10/13/2017 8:43:42 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: robroys woman; caligatrux; Mariner

John McCain is the Colin Kaepernick of the Republican Party.


21 posted on 10/13/2017 8:56:41 AM PDT by Enterprise (Do away with all symbols of past slavery. Start with the Democrat Party.)
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To: lurk

Now the repubs are in the process of defining whether the party is conservative or progressive.


Yes, a good way of looking at it.

Another way is whether the repubs are going to be an echo of Democrats, as they have been behind the scenes for 50 years, or a real alternative that lives up to their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution and limited government.

The line is between a Constitutional Republic and a Socialist/Fascist oligarchy.


22 posted on 10/13/2017 8:58:04 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Enterprise
John McCain is the Colin Kaepernick of the Republican Party.

That analogy works on so many levels.

23 posted on 10/13/2017 8:59:46 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: Mariner

Let us not forget that the Republican party has done this before.

In 1860, many Republicans absolutely despised their first Republican president, Lincoln. Many sided with democrats, took measures to pull him down and to make life harder for him. This occurred during the prosecution of a national civil war.

They were only mildly better during the Reagan administration.

They have rarely figured out how to use their power as a minority much less as a majority to make things happen.

They are absolute crap at being representatives of the people. They promise the moon at election time and after they are in office they moon their constituents to show their contempt for us.


24 posted on 10/13/2017 8:59:46 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: HangnJudge

The water lrvel in the Swamp has been lowered to show where the roots of the RINOs are intertwined. Parasites that they are.


25 posted on 10/13/2017 8:59:58 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: RJS1950

The Never-Trump mentality of the author prevents him from understanding very much about the current political scene.


26 posted on 10/13/2017 9:01:49 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: Mariner
...even though they control the White House, Congress, and a majority of state houses and governorships...

Paul Waldman forgot we also control the Presidency and the Supreme Court. Maybe our willingness to disagree with each other (the opposite of group-think) and to hold each side accountable is part of our strength.

Think about it Paul Waldman... Diversity of ideas makes us strong. Liberals' idea of 'diversity' is 'level of skin pigmentation' and 'sexual hole of choice' - silly interpretations of diversity...

27 posted on 10/13/2017 9:04:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (IF 'illegals' rob a bank should their "innocent DREAMER" kids be allowed to keep the loot??)
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To: RJS1950

If we had a “republican” President, I would agree with this. But Trump has never been the card carrying poster boy that Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham represent.

I am fine with that. But I am not surprised when he does not act like a traidtional Republican.


28 posted on 10/13/2017 9:05:33 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: Mariner
That there seems to to be a third option, eludes this writer: Republicans marching forth and calmly proceeding to bring up and vote on bills they promised the public the would do, if given the chance!

I believe Trump would gladly sign those bills and loudly champion Congress for working for the People instead of against them!

What’s even more, these same Republicans could go on disliking Trump and even continuing to wish someone else had won the GOP Primary and beaten Hillary!

29 posted on 10/13/2017 9:06:17 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: marktwain
A complete misreading of the current situation. It is not that things are not going well for Republicans. It is that things are not going well for the Establishment elite, of which many Republicans, along with nearly all Democrats, are a part.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a thread winnah!

30 posted on 10/13/2017 9:06:42 AM PDT by GOPJ (IF 'illegals' rob a bank should their "innocent DREAMER" kids be allowed to keep the loot??)
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To: Mariner

“Now imagine if Republicans were to fail in what is always their central policy goal: cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations. It could happen, particularly if Trump barrels clumsily through the process the way he did with health care. Bloomberg News reported this week that while the White House had been saying for some time they wanted to eliminate the deduction for state and local taxes, Trump “grew angry when he learned that the change would hurt some middle-income taxpayers.” In other words — and this should surprise no one — he has little idea what’s in his own tax plan.”


31 posted on 10/13/2017 9:10:54 AM PDT by Mariner (Pink Pussy Hats for the NFL)
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To: GOPJ
The repubs in congress and senate are traitors to their electorate and to their oath of office. Fools, geldings, liars, condescending oafs, smarmy duplicitous losers.
32 posted on 10/13/2017 9:11:30 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Stosh

Republicans —————> Republicans (RINOs disappear)


33 posted on 10/13/2017 9:14:11 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: Mariner

34 posted on 10/13/2017 9:15:25 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: caligatrux

True, but they don’t work for We the People. Their careers and livelihoods (and perhaps their very lives) depend on the super-wealthy and powerful globalists who are unrelenting in their lust for power.


35 posted on 10/13/2017 9:26:57 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: lurk

Hold on: Is Trump conservative or progressive in this discussion?


36 posted on 10/13/2017 9:33:11 AM PDT by WVMnteer
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To: zerosix
"That there seems to to be a third option, eludes this writer: Republicans marching forth and calmly proceeding to bring up and vote on bills they promised the public the would do, if given the chance! I believe Trump would gladly sign those bills and loudly champion Congress for working for the People instead of against them!"

AMEN!

This is a once a century opportunity to actually get what republicans have been "promising" to their constituents.

Send Trump their conservative dream list and put it on his desk.

He'd sign it in a heartbeat.

Congress would win, Trump would win, and most importantly, the American people would win.

. FGS, look how well the economy is doing.

Instead of bragging,and taking credit, the republicans would just rather oppose Trump (for whatever reason, but it's stupid) and call him names.

37 posted on 10/13/2017 9:34:59 AM PDT by boop (I'd wish you luck, but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you had it!)
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To: Mariner

Another Never-Trumper hard at work distorting reality.


38 posted on 10/13/2017 9:36:40 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: MichaelRDanger
"It’s not a civil war; it’s called draining the swamp..."

DING...DING...DING..... WINNER

39 posted on 10/13/2017 9:44:06 AM PDT by goodnesswins (As Americans, We are CITIZENS not SUBJECTS.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

“Their careers and livelihoods (and perhaps their very lives) depend on the super-wealthy and powerful globalists who are unrelenting in their lust for power.”

There was a thread a few days ago about the large donors being unhappy with the Senate. Being rich and a large donor does not get you in the establishment club. I am not sure who the establishment is. Perhaps we could work with the non-establishment Democrats to pass an amendment that nobody with a degree from Harvard or Yale can hold a Federal government job or be an elected federal official.


40 posted on 10/13/2017 9:52:57 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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