Las Vegas police: Security responded to door alarm, drew fire from killer

cnn ^ | Oct. 6, 2017 | Euan McKirdy

[bgill]

Shooter tried to buy tracer rounds

Paddock tried to buy tracer ammunition at a gun show in the Phoenix area in recent weeks, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation tells CNN.

Paddock bought other ammunition at the show, but he couldn't obtain the tracer ammunition -- bullets with a pyrotechnic charge that, when the round is fired, leaves an illuminated trace of its path -- because the vendor didn't have any to sell, the official said.

[bgill]

I can't find any source for this but the CBS Austin, TX local news said some of the ammo was bought in someone else's name. It may be a lead or not. Lets not forget during Soetoro, ammo was hard to get so he could have bought the ammo off an innocent person, a gun show or had someone pick some up for him years ago.

Also, do we know who's room was ajar? Could have been someone rushing away from the shooter. How long does a door have to be open before there's an alarm? Yes, the report says the shooter didn't have the key to that door but it could be a partial truth from the feds and it was the stairwell door. The stairwell exit sign was in the floor by the suit for some reason.

[Hugh the Scot]

I’m not clicking on a CNN link to decode why the headline has nothing to do with the excerpt.

[SecAmndmt]

We will never get the full story. Releasing little tidbits instead of keeping the investigation quiet until it has been fully, completed only serves to make sure that only “evidence” which supports the official narrative is fabricated or leaked. There is absolutely no possibility of a full and independent inquiry, unless Trump steps in to force the issue. Any questioning of a single punctuation mark in the official narrative will cause the official narrative brigade here and elsewhere to shriek about conspiracy theories. Otherwise solid conservatives will be bashed with this label even here. I thought Pravda had died with the old Soviet Bloc? I guess not.

[RandallFlagg]

If he had used tracers, it would have been easier to spot where he was firing from and take more effective cover.

[Boomer]

This guy was far too well prepared to not have something he wanted.

Tracer rounds would have made it easier to see where he was firing from. It would work against him.

So far he sounds like an evil bastard but not stupid.

[maggief]

CNN?

Nope, FAKE news.

[rktman]

Yeah, it would have been a “tell”. Still, I’m thinking once the security guy showed up the POS fired through the door and then did himself. Like he expected swat any time. Haven’t seen the timing to compare security guy, end of firing on festival.

[grobdriver]

f he had used tracers, it would have been easier to spot where he was firing from and take more effective cover.

I bet he wanted tracers to ignite the Jet-A.

[The_Media_never_lie]

If he had used tracers, it would have been easier to spot where he was firing from and take more effective cover.

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Would a tracer round have been more likely to have set the aviation fuel ablaze?

[RandallFlagg]

I don’t think tracer fire coming from that much of an elevated position would have given him away for anyone to start firing back while getting shot at. Unless, perhaps, someone with a good rifle and skills was in another building, and not receiving fire.
How long did he shoot? Ten minutes?

[aumrl]

could they have ignited the fuel tanks?

[Golfinsocal]

It was reported, he had 1000 tracer rounds but didn't’t use them.

[RandallFlagg]

It probably would have done it. Fuel in an enclosed container hit with burning magnesium or phosphorus...

I’ve never fired tracers, so I can’t be sure.

[RandallFlagg]

Read #13.

[rktman]

That’s what I heard so that is why I think he popped himself after the security guy showed up. Or what was he doin for an hour? That’s why my thought that he was dead.

[RandallFlagg]

Perhaps he thought better of it -which ended up working to his advantage: A higher body count.

Very hard to get cover from gunfire when you don’t know or can’t see where the fire is coming from.

[RandallFlagg]

It’s an unprecedented scenario.
The only effective defense for it would be calling in an air strike, or artillery.

[skimbell]

If he 'd wanted tracers he could have bought all he wanted on line. The bulk dealers always seem to have unlimited supplies of tracer ammo.

BTW, has anyone heard what all of the guns were? Originally I heard that there were some 7.62/308. Now it seems as though everything was 5.56/223.

Anything for sure?

[rktman]

Initially I heard the Clark county sheriff say .308 and .223 but I’ve only seen .223 in the pics.

[Jamestown1630]

Your post seems to ignore the fact that investigators often strategically 'release little tidbits of information.' And I haven't heard anything amounting to an 'official narrative' yet.

A lot of posts that I've seen about this over the last few days remind me of a passage in a little 'cozy mystery' that I read recently:

"The actual grind of collecting information, much of it useless and the remainder to be sifted and collated in the hope that it might one day be of value in the building of a case, was a slow, laborious process unimagined by the majority of the Press and public, alike impatient for finality."

-'Picture Miss Seeton', Heron Carvic

There could be all kinds of 'legs' to this, which frail human beings and grinding bureaucracies have to deal with; and I'm not going to second-guess the investigation when the blood has yet barely dried. MHO is that everyone should just give this some time.