This is more concerning. I have been saying I thought this was a botched “tiered” attack. I believe there was a shooter around 6th floor to distract police . . . however, now with this evidence, perhaps 4th-6th floor shooter had another target and failed, and Paddock, from a longer range with a smaller caliber weapon, had to try.
Again, I go back to the disputed “muzzle flash” on the 4th-6th floor. On the video you can hear (I think) two distinctive weapons going off, sometimes simultaneously, one close (i.e. 4th-6th floor) and one in the distance (32nd floor). What if one shooter was supposed to drive the crowd toward the fuel tanks?
How does the other shooter shoot through windows without breaking glass?
I think you may be on to something, but whatever you do, don’t mention any alternate theories to Thomas Wictor.
At the 8 second mark, look at the man in the crowd firing on the people. I read he was wearing a security guard uniform.
https://twitter.com/Tabertronic/status/915754094719045632
the question i have is about the provenance of the 4th floor shooter video and the quality.
to me, the flashes look very consistent. i occasionally shoot video as well as photo, and to me, the flashes seemed almost too consistent (same size, regular intervals, etc). in turn, this makes me wonder if the video could have been edited. to answer that, it would be interesting to learn the provenance of the original video. imho it would be easier, faster, and more straightforward to edit in a simple, regular flash than an irregular flash. i did not see many people concerned about the video’s provenance or the possibility of editing when the video first came out, but it has been a day or two since i last tracked it.
You are on the money; this appears as a ‘throw’. Assault spraying was distraction for bigger bombing.
There is also credible background chatter that Antifa-MS-13-BLM were in on it. People don’t realize that each of those groups are trained in terrorism, MS-13 especially.
The distinctive sounds of two different guns firing (one much closer to the car where the video was taken) is definitely intriguing, though. I've speculated that someone at or near ground level (security, police, civilian) may have actually been returning fire against the guy on the 32nd floor.
Bookmarked.
“Again, I go back to the disputed “muzzle flash” on the 4th-6th floor”
LOL! That was still ‘flashing’ hours after the attack!
I am still in a toss on a lower floor shooter, at least the one we first thought it might be. There was a YouTube somewhere timestamped showing the “strobe” or light still going several hours later.
However, I’m really curious about the cab audio. That one has rapid fire sounding lower to the ground and a few seconds later you can hear firing from further away and higher. That discrepancy just hasn’t been explained that I know of.
I have said this many times lower floors have screens and sliding windows
Someone who works for company that cleans Mandalay windows said that none of the windows open, and there were no broken windows lower down...FWIW
ABC World News Tonight said the shooter had rented rooms at OTHER Las Vegas Strip hotels the night of the shooting.
When the shooting was happening in real time, there were police reports of shots being fired from the Luxor Hotel (that’s the pyramid-shaped hotel with the Egyptian theme, for those unfamiliar with Las Vegas).
I dismissed that early report as reverberations coming from the rounds fired from Mandalay Bay, but now I’m wondering WTH?
I would be interested to know if a rifle bullet can be used to set off a jet fuel (kerosene?) explosion reliably.
mythbusters could not replicate setting off a car (gasoline) explosion using a bullet:
if the answer is that it is difficult, then that might help answer the question of whether there was expert terrorist collaboration involved. i think it would be unlikely that expert terrorists would invest so much effort in a plan that did not have a reasonably high expectation of success, if for no other reason than that their action would likely to result in making future targets more terrorist-resistant to the particular manner of the attack. this would imply that the guy was more of an amateur, DIY type of “lone nut.”
also i wonder how much protection (such as double lining, etc) jet fuel tanks already have. if i had to guess, i would imagine that they are already terrorist-resistant to a significant degree by code and/or convention, since one can often find such tanks near airports and so they are a relatively obvious target.
i think there were two problems with the shooting where improvements could be made.
1. holding concerts away from tall buildings whose upper floors are open to the general public, so as to give potential terrorists less opportunity to stake out such high ground for a surprise attack on large groups of innocent civilians.
2. better crowd dispersal in the presence of a terrorist attack: multiple points of exit that can be opened by security guards at the first sign of an attack; and well and reliably lighted large emergency signs that illuminate the exits in case of attack to direct event attendees to the exits in an orderly manner.
I have not been religiously following the matter but i have not seen such improvements being mentioned in coverage so far— to date, all i have seen are discussions on whether or not there is enough gun control.
Realistically Las Vegas and some other cities have been reasonably obvious targets for terrorists to hit ever since 9/11.
one other thing about the nature of the suspect which was mentioned on fox this evening is that the guy had lots of assault rifles (and i hope i am using the term correctly; my apologies if not, since i am not an expert on any of this stuff). some counterterrorist experts interviewed said that the reason the guy had so many weapons was that he expected jams, and the easiest way to deal with a jam is to set the weapon aside and use a different weapon. they said that jams were likely under the circumstances of the shooting due to overheating and expansion of the parts, and that some weapons were found to be jammed by authorities. they said that an expert would be able to deal with jams and continue using the same weapon. an open question here imho would be how could an overheated weapon be unjammed and returned to fully functional. iirc the only way to deal with a machine gun whose barrel was overheated by too much use is either to wait until it cooled down or to use, in the design, a water jacket with a pump.
I think that was a strobe light. It was still flashing the next day behind a Fox News reporter.
If there was shooting on the sixth or seventh floor, then the Windows there would be broken also, correct?
Unless those windows opened. Can anyone say that the Windows on the lower floors could be opened and closed?
LS, I track your posts. But on this one, I think you are wrong.
It explains the other window being broken out. But unless those tanks held regular av fuel they would not have exploded. Jet (I fueled commercial aviation) would not unless the bullets were some type of explosive round.
Then again, maybe those tanks were empty.
Here is the tip of the iceberg,all linkable but I have to go to work.
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The whole op has been blown wide open over the past two days.
Here is what is now being conjectured on various internet videos.
The entire op was well planned over months. Supposed perp Paddock was undercover FBI involved in gun running bigger than Benghazi. He was involved with antifa who were also involved with MS13 and ISIS.
One of the reasons for the op was to take Awan brothers and hillary investigation off the front pages of the driveby papers and tV,mission accomplished.stock manipulation also a possibility,alwasy follow the money. Audio of three shooters, receipt of three people eating hotel food in his room,perps possibly dressed as Hotel security, probably first thing they did was take over hotel cameras,we will never see any footage that is worth anything unless by accident.
I could go on but its apparent this was a cabal hit put forward by well trained terror types.
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