After Election Success: Far-right AfD Leader Questions Germany's Special Relationship With Israel

haaretz.com ^ | September 25, 2017 | Ofer Aderet

[Berlin_Freeper]

A day after the extreme right-wing party Alternative for Germany became the third-largest in the parliament, one of its leaders questioned whether the country's national interests include Israel's existence.

[9YearLurker]

What are you talking about? Do you need the video of him saying it in German? Do you even speak German?

[Berlin_Freeper]

Never heard someone stalking another on this forum is a “criminal offense”. What law are you inventing? From where?

Btw, You are posting to me and “you legally and ethnically can’t be doing that.”

[Sirius Lee]

Stupid krauts can’t do anything right without screwing it up. Why fight against muzz slime invasion if you’re just going to act like one?

[bagster]

I'd like to know why Israel is any of Germany's business in the first place. Germany is the last country on earth that should be even remotely involved in the affairs of another country. Especially a Jewish state. Especially after being infiltrated by Moslems to the extent that they have been. Especially since they are known for seeking world domination by force.

Their motives in this area are suspect.

[bagster]

I bet following a poster from thread to thread and posting on that thread would not be an element of the crime of "cyber stalking." If in fact Berlin Freeper has done that. Before I believed your claim of stalking, I would be interested to hear the details of said stalking. Just in general terms, not specifically.

I find it a serious matter to accuse somebody of criminality in public. There may be some kind of civil laws against that (slander/libel.) I'm no lawyer though.

Also, before anybody tells me to mind my own business, remember, I'm not the one who put this in the public square. I reserve the right to comment on events brought to my awareness. After all. What are we, communists?

[bagster]

Why fight against muzz slime invasion if you’re just going to act like one?

The same behind the scenes forces that are motivating the German Govt to open the doors of Europe to a muslim invasion may be the same forces that motivate them in the Israel matter. Hell, for all I know, Saudi Arabia could have bought Germany ten years ago in a silent auction. Buy Hillary/Get Germany. It could have been a two for one sale.

[Bulwyf]

I’m not American, but I’ve been all over.

With 100% certainty despite the issues in the US, they are light years ahead of Germany. People in Germany don’t have any freedom, it’s why I keep running into them in Alberta too. We’re starting to see the same crap here, but your European Union is straight up communism.

So take your imagined superiority somewhere else.

[Bulwyf]

I think western Europe in general will completely be erased unless there’s a major intervention. Maybe if they beg, the Polish will come invade them, they’re tenacious and still have real men.

[bagster]

I think it won't be erased. It will exist. The borders will blur and other people will be calling the shots. There will be an exodus, maybe east. Eastern Europe is trying to hold out. They are squoze on both sides.

Yes, squoze is a word.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Germany supplies Israel with subsidized weapons systems. German embassies act as de facto Israeli embassies for Israeli nationals in places where Israel doesn't have a diplomatic presence. Germany has payed billions of dollars in reparations. Germany has coordinated the recovery of Swiss bank accounts belonging to Holocaust victims. Off the top of my head.

As late as 2007 Rafi Eitan was calling ob Germany to make a new round of reparations to Holocaust survivors.

I think AFD raises a fair point in questioning how much longer Germany is going to be obligated to make reparations. Practically everyone involved is dead.

[bagster]

If we recognize Israel we're obligated to defend Israel.

Who says?

[bagster]

I wasn’t aware of all that. Let me here and now declare that Germany doesn’t owe Israel anything. So go back to minding your own business Germany. And Israel, get off their back. We got moslems to worry about.

[bagster]

also, you mean to tell me they are doing all that and they dont’t recognize Israel? How does that make sense?

[escapefromboston]

Readings fhis article doesn’t seem all that well balanced.

[SoFloFreeper]

Oh, I understand that... they are yet to organize politically to the point of a formal agenda.

My question really has to do with how Merkel’s policies are doing the same thing in a perhaps slower but more sure manner.

Kind of like Obama ignoring immigration enforcement.

[PapaBear3625]

What was said was "“If Israel’s existence is part of the German national interest," he said at a party press conference on Monday, using the German term Staatsräson, "then we would have to be prepared to send German soldiers to defend the Jewish state."

I can understand a reluctance to getting militarily involved in the Middle East, but I doubt Germany has the force projection capability to do much good even if they tried.

Meanwhile, Germany apparently is STILL sending reparations payments to Israel over WW2. $89 billion since 1952. The real concern may be that AfD will bring up the subject of phasing out reparations payments.

[Berlin_Freeper]

The issue is. If Germany no longer has a policy of stating that Israel has a right to exist, then it becomes like Iran (Iran dismisses Germany’s call for Israel recognition).

The reluctance to send fighting troops is a separate issue.

It is a beautiful and wonderful thing that Germany goes around stating that Israel has a right to exist. Why become like ugly Iran?

[Berlin_Freeper]

Btw: Breaking News that another AfD member is leaving.

[a fool in paradise]

Sound like the Democrat Party to me.

#DemsBooedGodAndIsraelOnNationalTelevision

[PapaBear3625]

There is a difference between saying “Israel has no right to exist” and saying “If Israel’s existence is part of the German national interest, then we would have to be prepared to send German soldiers to defend the Jewish state.” (which is what he apparently said).