Christians in U.S. Military ‘Serve Satan’ If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force Chaplain Says

Newsweak via Yahoo ^ | 09/15/2017 | Nina Burleig

[DiogenesLamp]

Without morons like this Hernandez then Weinstein would have a whole lot less to complain about.

Funny that you think his position is that of a moron. :)

[Pirate Ragnar]

” know, I find this odd, as I know there are Buddhists and Sikhs who have always served honorably.”

Heaven forbid we have a Jewish Navy Seal.

[DiogenesLamp]

Best commentary on the subject I have read so far. Exactly right.

[DoodleDawg]

And of course you post something totally unconnected with the topic at hand because there is nothing in Lincoln’s message suggesting that only one sect if the true one, that servicemen and women should condemn their compatriots for adhering to the “wrong” religion, or that would sow dissent in the ranks.

[xzins]

Thanks

[so_real]

I would not say that. Nor did the Chaplain say that. Re-read his words in P-Marlowe's post for better understanding. The chaplain has it right and Newsweek tainted the message. That being said, I personally have absolutely no objection to removing homosexuals and muslims from the military. That is my opinion and I don't speak for the chaplain. These groups have a history of introducing distraction and conflict, and it is my strong belief that the military is no place for such a social experiment. Combat readiness and effectiveness are the only goals. Victory, period. Not everyone is cut out for such service. Weak links have no "right" to be included in the chain of command.

[Jamestown1630]

Good Question ;-)

Some of the denominations are ‘at each other’s throats’ as badly as some atheists and non-Christians are after Christians themselves.

[Jamestown1630]

The article is just another sleazy attempt, using an outlier, to discredit Christian faith and Conservatism.

[DiogenesLamp]

And of course you post something totally unconnected with the topic at hand because there is nothing in Lincoln’s message suggesting that only one sect if the true one, that servicemen and women should condemn their compatriots for adhering to the “wrong” religion, or that would sow dissent in the ranks.

You don't think referring to them as "Christian Soldiers and Sailors" as well as referring to the Nation as a "Christian People" (let alone ordering them all to observe a Christian sabbath) would sow dissent in modern ranks?

Such an order would be unthinkable nowadays, even though it was not even remarkable in Lincoln's time. It shows just how far we have gone from where we started.

[DoodleDawg]

I’ve never been in the military. I can’t speak from experience so let me ask you a couple of questions. Do all military bases have chaplains from all the faiths that are represented by the personnel on the base? For example, if a base has Catholic personnel, Methodist personnel, Baptist personnel, and Buddhist personnel then does there have to be a Catholic chaplain, Methodist chaplain, Baptist chaplain, and Buddhist chaplain assigned? I’m assuming not. So say there is only one chaplain assigned, a Catholic priest. Does that mean that only Catholics have the services of a chaplain? And all the other faiths have to go off base for spiritual help? Or if the assigned chaplain is supposed to help all personnel regardless of faith, then how can Captain Hernandez do that without implicitly accepting that persons right to practice their own faith and therefore, by his own definition, serving Satan himself?

[so_real]

Or if the assigned chaplain is supposed to help all personnel regardless of faith, then how can Captain Hernandez do that without implicitly accepting that persons right to practice their own faith and therefore, by his own definition, serving Satan himself?

Did the chaplain deny that servicemen have the right to practice their own and faith, even to the extent of serving Satan himself? No. He did not. What he said was ...

Taking an oath to defend the Constitution, does not require a service member to compromise their own sincerely held beliefs in the process, nor does it force a service member to accept a worldview that is antithetical to their own. According to the First Amendment, there is freedom of religion, and freedom of speech. Therefore, Christians in the Armed Forces should feel free to espouse and practice their convictions, and even deny participating, or accommodating a religion or practice that would cause them to sin—regardless if it offends others or not.

The further point is that the chaplains, also, share in that same freedom. They cannot be coerced into participating or accomodating a practice that would cause the chaplains themselves to sin.

Military chaplains are not forced to do anything that would violate what their conscience dictates, and chaplains are not allowed to conduct themselves in any way that would compromise their ecclesiastical endorsement convictions.

That is completely just.

[SandRat]

Like I said, Was Married as an American Baptist, was rais Dutch Reform, raised my 3 children as Presbyterian, still wear s Catholic St Barbra’s logo on my dog tags and my dog tags that i still wear say Baptist.

So, which is it?

[Jamestown1630]

That’s up to you. God gave us free will, and expects us to make our own choices.

If the choices are made sincerely, from the best wisdom that our experience has provided us, we’ll be in the right place. God individualized himself within each of all of these billions of humans, for a reason.

(And maybe we’ll wind up partaking of more than ONE dispensation - as His plan goes on ;-)

[free_life]

דער אמת קומט אַרויס ווי בוימל אויפֿן וואַסער.

Der emes kumt aroys vi boyml afn vaser.

The truth comes out like oil on water.

Anyone who claims they are a Christian and denies Yeshua as the only way to The Father or that there is salvation (Yeshua) in anyone other than Yeshua, is not a Christian. Therefore when a Christian says Jesus is the truth as He claimed, that is faith not disrespect.

If Jesus is truth, then any thing that claims Jesus is a liar is most definitely from the father of lies. ..Satan.

Yeshua is still a Jew, and faithful Israel is the root from which us Gentiles are even allowed salvation in Yeshua.

[Ancesthntr]

There were almost zero non-Christians here in 1776 and even 1862. Things are different now, and the law reflects that.

[ResponseAbility]

***Newsweek got it wrong***

Newsweek lied!

[DiogenesLamp]

There were almost zero non-Christians here in 1776 and even 1862. Things are different now, and the law reflects that.

My point is that what was the norm back then, cannot be unconstitutional now.

Those who say it is are either ignorant or liars.

[Kalamata]

>>There were almost zero non-Christians here in 1776 and even 1862. Things are different now, and the law reflects that.
My point is that what was the norm back then, cannot be unconstitutional now
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Very true. Freedom of religion was meant to mean tolerance for the different Christian protestant denominations.

[Jamestown1630]

‘Freedom of religion’ as the Founders understood it is a principle that can be applied to any population.

If our founding documents were to be interpreted entirely within the temporal context of the founders’ lives, then we’d have to give some credence to liberal arguments about, say, the 2nd amendment and muzzleloaders.

Our founding documents are based upon universal principles, not circumstances or situations.

[Kalamata]

Moral relativism is destructive to civilized cultures and societies. That is deception communists promote to divide and conquer us. The following, on the other hand, is what our founders believed:

“With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles.” [George Washington, “Farewell Address.” 1796]

It is also worthwhile to note that one of the first acts of business by the FIRST congress was to establish the offices of PROTESTANT chaplains for the senate and house. It is also important to understand that ONLY the congress was restricted from respecting the establishment of religion. States were not, and several incorporated Protestant religious tests for public office.

Widening or generalizing the original FF’s intents has resulted in our nation’s current decadent decay.