Posted on 08/28/2017 10:21:40 PM PDT by Ace's Dad
"Training is (and has been) deficient for surface ships’ officers and crews for at least 15 years."
Last year our Admirals made a lot of important things happen. They introduced a new rank system and got rid of rates as old as the Navy. That will help sailors find better jobs after the leave the navy. Also, they made huge strides in making sure men who cut their penises off get threated like a lady.
Vague generalities based upon nothing specific to these two “accidents”.
WHO were the EXACT people who screwed up on each of these ships. Once that is known (it almost certainly already is) then attempt to figure out WHY they screwed up.
Somebody or something or some class of navy personnel is being protected, IMHO.
I wonder if sensitivity training gets fully funded? It sounds like collisions will be the new normal, until they fix the problems. The problems did not happen overnight, and won’t be fixed overnight either.
“Last year our Admirals made a lot of important things happen. They introduced a new rank system and got rid of rates as old as the Navy. That will help sailors find better jobs after the leave the navy. Also, they made huge strides in making sure men who cut their penises off get threated like a lady.”
So in the infamous words of that “stellar Black Pastor” Rev. Wright, “De chickens done come home to roost!” And right at a time when we need our Navy @ 110% just in case we need to deal militarily with the Norks. Obola, had his “butt boy” Admirals & Generals hollow out the services real good didn’t he!
Getting a submarine certed for URO was always a byzantine nightmare, but we were always glad it was. THRESHER still seems like it was just yesterday.
How do we know that the two ships were not deliberately rammed as they were presumably passing or being passed at close range?
Universities, including USNA are producing shit for degrees and officers. It’s not new, and has been on the decline for 20 yrs.
Accountability is dead
The massive year after year reduction in defense spending began under President Bush I, continued through all the rest. Working with fewer resources the military was asked to do more than win wars and keep the peace.
That said, the military was unprepared at other times in history when wars broke out. As a civilian, who doesn’t understand Navy Speak in this article, my only question is: can the Navy rebuild its lost programs under Donald Trump’s leadership?
Will Congress increase the budget for the Defense Dept over the years of a Trump Presidency?
The Navy ships are faster and more maneuverable. They have far better navigation systems. The bridge is manned 24/7 along with other watch stations. There is no way an oil tanker can ram one of our ships as long as our personnel carry out their responsibilities.
Back in the day I was the Unit Status Report (USR) Rep in several units. However, I understand that several units, especially those on combat status such as hot ADA batteries in Europe and Korea would falsely report to paint a rosy picture.
I wonder if the Navy has that issue.
Good article that covers most all of the reasons for the recent problems with USN surface ships.
I recall a posting here a week or two ago that also mentioned the Navy was no longer requiring the officers to go through the “driving school” before taking control of the surface ships. That was eliminated because of budget cuts to our military services by previous administrations.
Hopefully, the Trump administration will correct those budget problems.
...Former CVA-42, V-2 Cat
HA, I think you are missing the point of the article. While specific individuals will be relieved of their duties, the two accidents are symptoms of a larger problems.
1) The Navy is no longer properly training surface ship officers and enlisted. They show up on board not prepared to do thier jobs properly.
2) The surface ships are poorly maintained due to funding issues that the air warfare and submarine forces refused to accept.
They are both valid points, which contribute to the “why” you seek. Military and naval leaders have chosen to sacrifice training and readiness in favor of procurement of new systems. They same thing happened during the Carter years.
Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama allowed our military to fester.
That's up to us, the voting, and politically engaged citizens. I volunteered about 400 hours last year. Not as much as some, but if everybody who believed in MAGA did that, we could eliminate unnecessary spending and build up the military.
Holy smokes.....I knew it was orobably bad but i had no idea it was this bad.
Tha ks lord I was in the Navy at the end if the cold war when we maintained our equipment and men.
These accidents make no sense to me - I’m wondering if an enemy is using electronic counter measures that are crippling or deceiving our radar and or nav systems. This article is just general boilerplate requests for more funding, which may or may not be needed....
Given no mention, is the possibility that too many unqualified people are in the navy, for reasons of political correctness.
Remember that Ray Mabus was Secy of the Navy for years. In my opinion, he was a total failure, as Obama wanted, and the Navy has suffered greatly because of it.
The U.S. Navy has gone from a fierce fighting machine to “The Queens’ Navy” in less than 8 years (unless Bush Jr. did something wrong).
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