Comprehensive Immigration Reform

vanity | August 2, 2017 | Jim Noble

[Jim Noble]

Since the topic of "comprehensive immigration reform" has begun to bubble up again in the Senate, being mentioned by Chuck Schumer and John McCain within a few days of each other, I wanted to open a few questions for discussion.

First: We have a complete legal framework to govern immigration. These are the People's laws, passed by our representatives in Congress assembled and signed by Presidents from Truman to Bush. This set of laws is presumptively legitimate, under our sovereign authority. Reformers refer to this system of valid laws originating from We the People as "broken". Question: What is broken about it?

Second: There are a large number of persons present in the United States without valid permission to be here. In most cases, they have broken our laws to arrive, and if they are working and receiving wages or are not working but are receiving Federal benefits, they continue to break our laws every single day. Question: What makes these criminals an interest group for elected officials, such that they place their interest above that of the people who elected them?

Third: Since our perfectly valid system of laws created by constitutional processes gives the Federal government authority to remove most of these individuals, when Senators and Representatives say, "You can't deport 11 million people", what exactly are they saying? Delta Airlines boarded 17 million people in June 2017. We could easily remove all of these alien criminals in a brief time frame.

It seems to me that the Members of Congress who promote "reform" of our laws are actually simply refusing, or resisting, their legitimate and valid enforcement.

Last question: Why, and to what purpose?

[freedumb2003]

>>Last question: Why, and to what purpose?<<

Answer the last and you have the rest.

Simply:

For democrats: more voters (no one cares if they break the law voting or not)

For eGOP (1): more voters (they are stupid enough to think they can get the Latino vote in a million years)

Foe eGOP (2): Cheap labor for their donor business constituency

Pretty straightforward.

[Liz]

ping

[Robe]

VOTES

[The Toll]

Just like Anti-Brexit leftist in the UK.

The people have already voted for change. It’s best to deliver what they expect, or else.

[umgud]

BTW, not once in history has the term “comprehensive immigration reform” meant anything other than a bunch of BS surrounding AMNESTY. It’s always about amnesty.

Why? To demographically swell the dem voter base, not to mention the current millions of fraudulent votes. #2, cheap labor.

[Altura Ct.]

The only ‘reform’ we need is to revisit and revise the most destructive 1965 immigration act. Otherwise we don’t need ‘reform’ we just need to enforce our laws & deport those who don’t belong here.

[Little Ray]

Comprehensive Immigration Reform means that the Left will pass a whole raft of laws but only fund and/or enforce the ones they actually like - mostly amnesty.
No “comprehensive” immigration reform.
One step at a time.
The first step is to secure the border.
Only then will we discuss the next step.

[DaveA37]

“comprehensive immigration reform”..........

There will never be such a critter as long as there are demodummies and rinos.

[Jim Noble]

Just like Anti-Brexit leftist in the UK.

No, not quite, and the difference (for us) is very important.

The People of the UK do not make laws, not even indirectly. Laws in the UK, except for 1649-1660, are made by the Crown in Parliament, so although you could argue if you believe in democracy that the Crown in Parliament has some kind of moral duty to pass a Brexit law, they are not bound to do so.

Laws in the US are made by the People, indirectly, acting through a Congress to which certain powers of the People have been delegated while others have been retained.

So, the US immigration laws belong to the People, while the UK immigration system is a free grant of the Crown in Parliament.

[SandRat]

, .. and the. globalists that were on the tribal council late all the white eyes in, are still intensely disliked.

[txrefugee]

There should be a Comprehensive Immigration Ban. At over a million a year, we have admitted too many immigrants. It has changed America for the worse and imported many expensive and even dangerous problems for us. Stop all of it for at least a decade until we can see who is here and why they are here.

[Ray76]

You know it.

[Flintlock]

“Competition”—noun; defn.
To completely screw up an issue with all sorts of contradictory mandates and positions so as to make it completely unmanageable and unworkable.
It further lays ANOTHER layer of bureaucracy on the mess.

[rlmorel]

Good and obvious questions to pose, Jim Noble.

First: Question: What is broken about it?
Answer: Refusal and reluctance to enforce.

Second: Question: What makes these criminals an interest group for elected officials, such that they place their interest above that of the people who elected them?
Answer: Voting block for Democrats and desire to destroy America by changing demographics, fear and cowardice by non-Democrats to be labeled as intolerant bigots.

Last: Last question: Why, and to what purpose?
Answer: Same answer to Second.

[Vaduz]

Immigration Reform = DEPORT

If you don’t enforce laws don’t write them

[posterchild]

Parts of the 1986 Simpson Mazzoli Act haven’t been enforced yet. Let’s do that first.

[Tennessee Nana]

PING

[rlmorel]

I don't have a problem with immigration. However, I DO think the US should be picky about who it allows in to become US citizens. In the latter half of the 20th Century, and certainly in the 21st Century, we have discriminated against people who have skills and something to offer, and favored people who have absolutely no skills at all, discrimination simply on the basis of their skin color and country of origin.

I went to the statistic of the Department of Homeland Security, and you can get data in a bunch of different ways. I chose the table Table 3. Persons Obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident Status By Region And Country Of Birth: Fiscal Years 2013 To 2015. (There are 41 different tables they offer based on everything down to sex and age, but interestingly, none show race or religion (Asian; Black or African; Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander; White, etc.) because they likely would answer it isn't important, though they keep those statics meticulously for Americans. I am willing to be 100% they classify people upon the grant of citizenship status. Interesting that they specifically don't mention it.)

There is also an interesting "characteristic" in a few of the tables they call "Diversity" which I had a difficult time finding a definition for. After about 10 minutes of web searching, I found this:

"...The Diversity Immigrant Visa program, also known as the green card lottery, is a United States congressionally mandated lottery program for receiving a United States Permanent Resident Card. The Immigration Act of 1990 established the current and permanent Diversity Visa (DV) program. The lottery is administered by the Department of State and conducted under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) as amended by the Immigration Act of 1990. The lottery makes available 50,000 permanent resident visas annually and aims to diversify the immigrant population in the United States, by selecting applicants from countries with low rates of immigration in the five years prior..."

Well, there you have it. If there is one thing that is insanity in our our immigration process, it would be that I would point to. It serves no purpose, and just lets people in based on..."diversity".

Anyway, after some searching, I did find they allowed you to download "certain" tables in Excel for analysis, otherwise you have to manually paste the data, and manipulate it, which is what I did, and added a column for change between 2013-2015. Here are statistics from 2013-2015 sorted two different ways:

LEGAL IMMIGRATION FROM COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SORTED BY TOTAL VOLUME

LEGAL IMMIGRATION FROM COUNTRY OF ORIGIN SORTED BY CHANGE BETWEEN 2013-2015

[rlmorel]

Just to clarify-I think our legal immigration is flawed and needs revamping. I do think we allow far too many people in LEGALLY who have no business being here. They aren’t going to contribute, and in many cases, actively hate and dislike us and our way of life.

As for illegal immigration, that is a tsunami.