Posted on 07/29/2017 8:22:47 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Last night, Senator McCain cast the deciding vote to kill the “skinny” version of a proposed health care bill. Notice how he explains it as a failure of process, not a problem with the bill itself:
“I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of Obamacare was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict-party line basis without a single Republican vote. We should not make the mistakes of the past that has led to Obamacare’s collapse, including in my home state of Arizona where premiums are skyrocketing and health care providers are fleeing the marketplace. We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people. We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.dilbert.com ...
Today is a very good day disguised as a bad one. If you think in terms of goals, Congress failed to pass a bill last night. But if you think in terms of systems, our options for solving health care just went from limited to plenty. We’re in the best position yet.
Did you wonder why President Trump seemed somewhat hands-off on health care? I think it’s because his strongest play as a negotiator involved waiting until Congress utterly and completely failed. That almost didn’t happen last night. It took a war hero to finish the job.
I don’t think the headline makes any sense. In my opinion, “health care” is a product, just like house-painting or auto repair, not a system, goal, right, privilege, benefit, or singularity.
The entire current debate centers on who will pay for healthcare, not on the actual quality and cost of the healthcare provided. Do we really want to drift to a national health system where your medical care is being provided on a lowest bidder basis contract from the federal government?
I don’t know if this was tongue-in-cheek because of the way he was praising McCain, because Adams MIGHT do that. His conclusion that the limited fix would have locked everyone into a straitjacket and that McCain’s killing the bill played right into Trump’s hand was interesting. Let it fail.
The reality is that once a government gives something out, it is impossible to take it back. Scott thinks in the context of that reality. Where he errs is calling it Health Care, what he really means is Health Insurance. There’s not a single thing wrong with Health Care in this country, it’s top notch. It will never be evenly distributed to all citizens, just like good housing and fine food. Scott is a pragmatic libertarian. He challenges my thinking on this issue, as I have nothing but contempt for McCain. But ultimately I share his optimism.
ObamaCare, giving the government the power of life and death over Americans since March 23, 2010...
Not impossible, just difficult and rare.
That was my point. I agree with the rest of your post up until "optimism." I'd have said something like, "I pretty much agree with his analysis."
Our government has us imprisoned with gov healthcare, they will never give it up, never grant us freedom from their tyrannical tentacles.
>>In my opinion, “health care” is a product, just like house-painting or auto repair, not a system, goal, right, privilege, benefit, or singularity.
A lot of people have the opinion that water comes from a faucet and electricity comes out of the holes in the wall too.
But there are entire systems that are behind that faucet, receptacle, and that doctor. If you “fix” a system by pushing on one part, you break other parts by straining them beyond their capabilities. Part of the system in health care, just as it is in utilities, is the customer: what can he pay, how does he use the product, etc. When you pay for the “product” of health care, you pay for the system, but your bill only shows the final provider.
You might want to read the article to understand the headline before you opine.
>>Not impossible, just difficult and rare.
Has it ever been successfully done?
Nah, we don't do that.
That said, you have made some good points. I would rephrase my original statement to say that "health care" is primarily a product, rather than a right, etc., etc.
McCain: Let’s see ya make America great NOW Donald.
President Trump: McCain you magnificent dumbass you played right into my hands!!!! Muahahahahah!
Yup, after a society completely collapses, the benefits and freebies go away...
>>Yup, after a society completely collapses, the benefits and freebies go away...
Exactly my point. But even our Great Depression, which was as close to economic collapse as I would ever want to see, only CREATED freebies and handouts since a collapse always seems to end up with the government in power holding all the assets.
Sadly, the only thing that will end the handouts is for the Socialists to totally win, because once they have total control, they have methods for dealing with the Useless Eaters who are no longer necessary as Useful Voters and Agitators. Communists always kill the agitators first.
“”Where he errs is calling it Health Care, what he really means is Health Insurance””
I wish there was an emphasis on that when the subject is discussed. You are absolutely correct.
My husband and I never had need of much “health care” besides yearly checkups until retirement. After three hospitalizations for my husband and a bout with bladder cancer, we don’t have any complaints with the care provided.
Perhaps with the schlocky front office attention to detail but with the care - NO! Others may have had different experiences.
The senate conducts itself as if the final objective of the “health care system” they designed (Obamacare) is to pave the way for well-lobbied insurance companies to sell healthcare insurance to a great number of people at a profit.
To senators the selling of the product is the objective, the forced purchase is the means to the objective.
The amount of insurance they can force us to buy is their measuring stick of success - not the actual delivery of medical care.
What happens to the citizens after we are forced to buy the insurance is not a concern to them - they did their job (as defined by them) when they made us buy the product.
To senators the main function of the “insured” (us) is to enable them to brag that they have implemented a plan that now insures a number of people who did not previously have insurance.
The fact that the insurance they force people to buy is almost unusable and overpriced isn’t a consideration.
They have met their objective by forcing us to buy their insurance plans.
How we deal with it and how we eventually get medical care is our problem.
Trump stated during his first SOTU speech that he wouldn’t be addressing obamacare until late 2017 or early 2018.
A couple of weeks later, Paul Ryan gave a live interview in which he PROMISED that “Trump’s” (really Ryan’s) entire agenda would be passed by Congress during the first 100 days, including the wall, tax reform and repealing obamacare.
naturally, Ryan did none of that EXCEPT kicking off his fake obamacare “repeal” (against the wishes of the President). Ryan’s repeal was nothing more than an insurance company bailout which did ZERO to repeal ANYTHING in obamacare, via a lengthy, complex bill that had obviously already been pre-written and in someone’s back pocket all along, and which i strongly suspect was the exact same bill Hillary was planning to introduce for the insurance company which she was going to hail as her obamacare “fix”. after all, the Ryan bill actually did nothing but massively increase obamacare premiums for trump’s core supporters.
it’s my opinion that Trump simply watched Ryan run with it, knowing that both congress and Ryan would completely fail with their futile fake repeal, and thus would PUBLICLY demonstrate the abject failure of their “leadership”, allowing Trump to subsequently fill the leadership vacuum with his OWN bill and his own timetable.
Healthcare was not a system in the early 50’s. I recall my parents owned one side of a duplex and an MD the other. The MD used to visit me as a kid at night. His son was my best friend growing up. Social Security started in 1935, and; there was no SSDI until 1950 for age 50 and over. In fact, there was no damn Medicare or Medicaid until 1965 and LBJ. Now we have 70 plus million on Medicaid and CHIP. Yes, I wonder why we are not told how many free loaders we pay for by these elected prostitutes.
True. Trump can darn sure cut illegals off all federal bennies by EO.
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