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With the Charlie Gard Case, Culture of Death Tightens Its Grip in England
Evolution News and Views ^ | July 3, 2017 | Michael Egnor

Posted on 07/06/2017 7:56:11 AM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 07/06/2017 7:56:11 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

No child should ne born British...


2 posted on 07/06/2017 7:59:55 AM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket.6l)
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To: rrrod

Like fractals England and the Europe are lost,
from this, to embracing their own deaths by Islam
and terrorists KNOWN TO THEM,
to ignoring the ultimate loss of normal travelers
who no longer want to be raped and killed.


3 posted on 07/06/2017 8:07:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: Heartlander

If some wealthy and famous Brit ended up in a coma in a NHS hospital, with little hope for being revived, would the same bureaucratic decisions be made? If there were experimental treatments in the US, would the guardians of a wealthy and famous Brit be prevented from removing him or her from the NHS hospital?

The Charlie Gard situation has really lowered my opinion of the Brits, and I don’t think these black hearted bureaucrats have thought this through very thoroughly.


4 posted on 07/06/2017 8:07:32 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Heartlander

Parents should be the ones who decide the fate of their child.
The Gards have raised money for experimental treatment in the U.S.
for Charlie.
Regardless of the outcome of this treatment, the Gards should be allowed
to try it.


5 posted on 07/06/2017 8:14:12 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittanc)
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To: Will88

Who knows, they might make energetic noises to try to raise consciousness of their plight.

Would I want someone to make a heroic attempt to revive me? Maybe... maybe... so much rides on circumstances. I’d pray to the Lord on my part that He would not leave me or mine in a situation of agonizing limbo. That when I’m gone, I’m GONE. Without any doubt.


6 posted on 07/06/2017 8:16:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Heartlander

It doesn’t help to call the disease fatal. It hasn’t killed the child. It is potentially fatal, life-threatening disease. Treatment is available although success is not guaranteed. It may even be a long shot. But it isn’t fatal until the child dies.


7 posted on 07/06/2017 8:17:03 AM PDT by webheart (Grammar police on the scene.)
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To: tennmountainman

For what it is worth... I pray that not only will the Gards be allowed, but that a success will be seen. And a witness to the Lord will arise.


8 posted on 07/06/2017 8:18:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Same here.


9 posted on 07/06/2017 8:21:52 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittanc)
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To: Will88

The British government has no right to decide whether this child lives or dies. Only God or, his parents can make that choice, and he or they will. The Queen and her government are killing this child, which they have no moral or legal right to do!!! When each of these Brits that doomed this innocent child passes, I pray Satan is waiting to take them all to hell, which is where they belong!!!

Thank you...Pope Francis and POTUS, Donald J. Trump for your compassion, understanding and love for life!!! Yes...the child may indeed die, even if he has a one in a million chance to live,...it is worth the effort. UK low life, send this child to either the Vatican Hospital or, have POTUS, Trump bring this child and his family to the USA for the treatment the little tyke deserves. We...who believe in God are asking the Lord in Heaven for a miracle...a miracle of life!!! The Queen & the Prime Minister should be ashamed of themselves. This...folks is not “Churchill’s”, England!!! This is the England of “Orwell’s” “1984”!!! Sad!!!


10 posted on 07/06/2017 8:42:30 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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To: Heartlander

Meanwhile NHS pays for dickchopping, aids treatment, and euthanasia.


11 posted on 07/06/2017 9:21:00 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Acting constantly in contradiction with one's human nature is de facto evidence of insanity.)
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To: webheart

I have a friend who is a research geneticist on pediatric diseases. We just had a conversation about this case, and he stated there is no cure for Charlie Gards genetic disease. He is curious about who this doctor is who even offered to try this experimental treatment, because he considers it unethical and malpractice.


12 posted on 07/06/2017 9:32:38 AM PDT by kaila
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To: Heartlander

Evil bastards. If they said we aren’t paying for anything else, ok, I get that. But to forbid parents with money from trying something in the USA?

What -exactly- did we accomplish by helping the British in WWII?


13 posted on 07/06/2017 9:44:04 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: tennmountainman

“The Gards have raised money for experimental treatment in the U.S.”

After the government does its foul deed, I think I would publically offer that money as a bounty on the individual who decided this and sighed off on it. Find a way to destroy their life.


14 posted on 07/06/2017 9:47:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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Does the USA have a legal agreement with the parents that if the treatment does not work, the US hospital can stop life support?
Or, does the USA have an agreement with Britain to accept this patient back when either the treatment does not work or the money runs out?


15 posted on 07/06/2017 10:32:38 AM PDT by kaila
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When it’s someone else’s life, we ask if the treatment is justified. If it is your life, do you want people debating the quality of your life before offering treatment? And, I don’t think that there is enough information in any news article to base a decision that can end someone’s life upon. All the Monday morning doctors with their superior thought processes make me sick.


16 posted on 07/06/2017 10:47:51 AM PDT by webheart (Grammar police on the scene.)
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Actually, debating the quality of life and the future treatment plan based on that is done on a daily basis in hospitals. What I am is consistent, unlike a lot of people here on this forum. A lot of you ( including me) are against Americans paying for illegal aliens medical care. Yet, on a British baby, you all want the American medical system to treat this baby with no assurances at all that the Gards will pay for the whole cost of treatment. The money they raised will be gone pretty quickly, and then what? The physician who is offering the treatment has stated it is not going to help. So why are the Gards pushing to bring the baby here? Because they know , once on American soil, they can have our medical system pay for his future care. This baby cannot move, has constant seizures, cannot eat or breathe, is blind.
The best scenario that could happen is the Vatican hospital can accept this baby, and pay heir money out for expenses and leave the USA out of this.


17 posted on 07/06/2017 11:00:44 AM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila

The issue here is the State is calling the shots. The parents know how sick their baby is and that he cannot be “cured” - maybe symptoms can be relieved in this experimental treatment - who knows? You and I sure don’t. They raised more than a million pounds to help pay for Charlie’s care. The questions you ask can all be answered, but should not be used as delaying obstruction.

At the very least, Charlie’s parents asked to take their child home to die. Is there no home hospice care in England?

This child is being Terri Schiavo’d and that is wrong and evil. Every child in a NICU could end up with this test case sending them down the chute as well. All about the $$$$$$ even when it isn’t.


18 posted on 07/06/2017 11:06:59 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

The cost of this care will be 150,000 in the first five days. How long do you think the money will last?
Yes, the baby should be allowed to go home and die. And no, this is not a Schiavo case as Schiavodid not require extraordinary care to keep her alive.This baby needs all organs stabilized. I have read also kidney and liver issues.
This also happens in NICU. Age cutoff when ICU care is not offered to premature babies happens all the time. You just don’t hear about it.


19 posted on 07/06/2017 11:14:45 AM PDT by kaila
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Life slowly slips away from that baby while the British government has gone stone cold silent trying to play out the clock. Trump needs to tell PM May in Hamburg, AF 1 will land in London on my way home. Have Charlie and his folks at the airport ready to go. Now do it Madame PM.


20 posted on 07/06/2017 11:36:56 AM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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