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'Nobody on the top three floors survived': Six dead and dozens missing
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 6/14/2017 | Ekin Karasin

Posted on 06/14/2017 5:51:05 AM PDT by rktman

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To: radiohead
I bought a new refrigerator last fall - cost about $1600 - and it was so noisy I asked for a service call to replace the compressor.
Lowes said it's cheaper to replace the entire refrigerator than repairing it. So I got a new one.
Unbelievable.
61 posted on 06/14/2017 6:36:19 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Spktyr
Yep

Both n-Butane (R-600) and i-Butane (R600a) are also used as refrigerants. The three gases can also be mixed to achieve different properties, such as with R-290a, a mixture of isobutane and propane. Just as with propellants, LPG gases also replaced chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) as refrigerants, to preserve the ozone layer.

I wouldn't expect that a refrigerant leak could get to just the right ratio for a fuel air bomb accidentally.

62 posted on 06/14/2017 6:37:50 AM PDT by infool7 (The ugly Truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Spktyr
Yep

Both n-Butane (R-600) and i-Butane (R600a) are also used as refrigerants. The three gases can also be mixed to achieve different properties, such as with R-290a, a mixture of isobutane and propane. Just as with propellants, LPG gases also replaced chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) as refrigerants, to preserve the ozone layer.

I wouldn't expect that a refrigerant leak could get to just the right ratio for a fuel air bomb accidentally.

63 posted on 06/14/2017 6:37:59 AM PDT by infool7 (The ugly Truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Spktyr

It will all come out - investigators will interview all the workers and find samples of the actual materials used.


64 posted on 06/14/2017 6:38:40 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Spktyr

Yeah. Stoopid Stoopid Stoopid!
(yeah I know it’s misspelled)


65 posted on 06/14/2017 6:38:45 AM PDT by sheana
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To: proxy_user

ISIS back door tactics (reverse) or IRA Type Brits getting even with Muslims for recent London Terrorist attacks!!!. Fire begets fire!!! The Mayor of London and PM are asleep at the wheel, as are British politicians!!! Same scenario coming to the USA. Democrat Party has not got a clue!!! In fact,...they side with the terrorists...Americans beware...the Democrats are destroying your country!!!


66 posted on 06/14/2017 6:39:28 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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To: Lady Heron; All

Refrigerator fires are not that uncommon.

I personally know of three instances refrigerator electrical fires (2 contained within the fridge steel housing, the other set the wood floor on fire).

All three caused by defective Solid State relays on three different mfg brands.

Read the article and research US Consumer Appliance recalls for further info -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3183412/Could-fridge-burn-house-t-switch-packed-inflammable-insulation-toxic-gas-s-dangerous-appliance-all.html

“Across Britain, from January 2011 to March 2014, 855 fires were reported to have been started by fridge-freezers, accounting for 7 per cent of fires caused by electrical products. Not all blazes are due to faults in the appliances. Faulty wiring, incorrect installation or adjustment and lack of proper maintenance can lead to fires, too.”


67 posted on 06/14/2017 6:41:34 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Lady Heron; All
"How does a frig explode????"

When it is filled with bomb-making materials

68 posted on 06/14/2017 6:41:57 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: Mr. K

Never store the blasting caps in the frig with the C-4.


69 posted on 06/14/2017 6:45:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PilotDave

Yeah. It’s them dang moozlim refrigerators that does it. And they always explode in a fireball and burn everything in the area. Airline jets into sjyscrapers, suicide belts, rampaging vehicles on sidewalks, hammers and knives! Is this just Moh’s latest clever improvisation?


70 posted on 06/14/2017 6:46:23 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Known as the Father of modern agriculture)
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To: infool7

The UKanians have been noticing their new “earth safe” refrigerators are going on fire and exploding with increasing regularity - no terrorist or hooligan activity required - so apparently it *can* get to that point.

One case in point from last year: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/492544/samsung-fridge-explosion-RS21NCNS-recall-fault


71 posted on 06/14/2017 6:46:28 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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"They just replaced the Freon with propane or butane."

Hmmm... that reminds me of this:

72 posted on 06/14/2017 6:47:56 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: isthisnickcool

According to the company that seems to have claimed having done the work (not any more, for some reason they took the page down since the fire), they installed “ACM Rainscreen over-clad”
http://web.archive.org/web/20170614034527/www.harleyfacades.co.uk/page/grenfell-tower

“ACM Rainscreen” is:
> a flat surface comparable to much thicker aluminum, at a more reasonable price
> 2 layers of aluminum sandwiching a resin core
> Fire rated cores are also available
http://northclad.com/products/acm/

Maybe they really did use a fire-rated product, but the cladding going up in flames quickly and setting the whole side of the building alight matches other fires in Melbourne and Dubai where plastic-filled aluminum cladding burned.


73 posted on 06/14/2017 6:55:27 AM PDT by fluorescence
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To: jonno

Most of the occupants actually made it out of that one. Also, that wasn’t exactly a willing choice - we had the only supplies of helium and we refused to sell it to Nazi Germany. They didn’t have a choice but to use hydrogen and hope like hell nothing happened. :P


74 posted on 06/14/2017 6:55:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: qwertyz

Never thought of that.


75 posted on 06/14/2017 6:59:53 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I remember several stories from people in the towers - after the first plane hit, those in the other tower were instructed (by intercom) to stay put. Nobody had any way of knowing at the time, but that turned out to be a very bad idea.


76 posted on 06/14/2017 7:02:13 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: fluorescence

I’m wondering if they decided to be cheap and quietly installed the non-fire-rated panels and pocketed the difference instead of using the fire-rated units. It would not be the first time.


77 posted on 06/14/2017 7:02:28 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sheana
Yeah. Stoopid Stoopid Stoopid!
(yeah I know it’s misspelled)


From Plan 9
78 posted on 06/14/2017 7:03:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Spktyr

“The Amish mostly qualify as “off-grid” IMHO. :P”

Wait...are we talking Amish, or “Amish”?


79 posted on 06/14/2017 7:04:27 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bk1000
Actual Amish, such as these:


80 posted on 06/14/2017 7:06:24 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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