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A Response to My Conservative Critics About Trump
Townhall.com ^ | June 6, 2017 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 06/06/2017 4:34:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

Writers never know when something they write will strike a nerve -- or, in the common phrase of the internet, "go viral."

Yet my last column, "Why Conservatives Still Attack Trump" did both. Aside from being reprinted on almost every conservative website, Newsweek published the column, and The New York Times quoted it.

More importantly, many major conservative writers responded to it, mostly in disagreement.

It is interesting that the column elicited so much attention. Maybe, like the man who bit the dog, an articulate case by a mainstream conservative in support of the president is so rare that people felt a need to publish it and respond to it.

Whatever the reason, I feel compelled to respond to some of the disagreements.

Before doing so, I want to note the respectful tone that permeated virtually every one of the disagreeing columns. We have enough cannibals on the left without conservatives eating each other up.

After reading the responses, I feel confident in saying that they confirmed my primary thesis: Anti-Trump conservatives do not believe that Americans are fighting what I call the Second Civil War, while pro-Trump conservatives do.

Indeed, Jonah Goldberg in National Review said as much. He denied that we are in the midst of a civil war on two grounds: One is that it is not violent, and the other is that we are fighting a "culture war," not a civil war.

Whenever I write about the subject, I almost always note that this Second Civil War is not violent. I never thought that the word "war" must always include violence. The word is frequently used in nonviolent contexts: the war against cancer, the war between the sexes, the war against tobacco, the Cold War and myriad other nonviolent wars.

Perhaps Goldberg would respond that he did not write that all wars are violent, only that all civil wars are violent. But if there are nonviolent wars, there can be nonviolent civil wars.

Nevertheless, what most disturbs me is his second argument -- articulated in various ways by most of those who disagreed with me -- that there is simply no civil war. And many repeated the universal belief among Never-Trumpers that a Hillary Clinton victory would not have been a catastrophe.

My response is that "culture war" is much too tepid a term for what is going on now. Maybe anti-Trump conservatives are fighting a "culture war," but the left is not. The left is working to undo the American Revolution. It's very close to doing so.

Of all people, one would think Jonah Goldberg would understand this. He is the author of what I consider to be a modern classic, "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Change."

His book leads to one conclusion: We are fighting fascism. How is that not a civil war? When you fight fascism, you are not merely fighting a "culture war."

So, shouldn't the primary role of a conservative be to vanquish leftism? To me, that means strongly supporting the Republican president of the United States, who has staffed his Cabinet with conservatives and already won substantial conservative victories. As I suggested in my previous column, conservatives would have been thrilled if any Republican president had achieved what Trump has at this point in his administration.

"But what about Trump's character?" nearly all my critics ask. Or, as John Podhoretz, editor of Commentary Magazine, tweeted, "For Dennis Prager, who spent 40 years advocating for a moral frame for American politics, to argue as he argued today is, may I say, ironic."

First, I have indeed dedicated much of my life to advocating for morality -- for ethical monotheism as the only way to achieve a moral world; for raising moral children (as opposed to concentrating, for example, on raising "brilliant" children); and for the uniquely great Judeo-Christian moral synthesis developed by the Founding Fathers of America.

But I have never advocated for electing moral politicians. Of course, I prefer people of good character in political office. But 30 years ago, I wrote an essay titled "Adultery and Politicians" in which I argued that what political leaders do is more important than their character. To cite but one of an endless list of examples, I would prefer an adulterous president (like John F. Kennedy) who supported Israel than a faithful family man (like Jimmy Carter) who was an anti-Zionist.

Second, as a religious Jew, I learned from the Bible that God himself chose morally compromised individuals -- like King David, who had a man killed in order to cover up the adultery he committed with the man's wife; and the prostitute Rahab, who was instrumental in helping the Jews conquer Canaan -- to accomplish some greater good. (And, for the record, I am not suggesting that God chose Donald Trump.)

Third, though I listed his moral defects in column after column during the primaries, I believe that Trump is a better man than his critics maintain. I see no evidence, to cite one example, that he is a misogynist. His comment about famous and powerful men being able to do what they want with women was a) said in private -- and we are fools if we assess people by their private comments (Harry Truman, a great president, frequently used "kike" in private comments about Jews), b) not a statement about anything he had actually done, c) not misogynistic and d) often true.

Fourth, even if he were as morally defective as his critics maintain, my response is this: Trump's character is less morally significant than defeating the left. If the left wins, America loses. And if America loses, evil will engulf the world.


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To: Lakeshark

That’s for Mr. Mueller and the Congressional investigations to prove or to recommend for prosecution.


101 posted on 06/07/2017 6:31:23 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Fantasywriter

There would be a confluct if he were infestigating Comey. At this point he isnt.


102 posted on 06/07/2017 6:33:07 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

If you had bothered to click on the link in which Jarrett said Mueller should quit, you would understand the conflict of interest. You would also know that you couldn’t be more wrong.

At this point you are wasting my time. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Thus, you add nothing to the exchange.

I’ve already done the work; how hard would it have been for you to have read the link?


103 posted on 06/07/2017 7:56:54 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: joesbucks
That’s for Mr. Mueller and the Congressional investigations to prove or to recommend for prosecution.

Spoken like a true lemming..........

Maybe you should go to a website forum where you'll sound smart.

104 posted on 06/07/2017 8:56:58 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

If we were on Reddit, I’d give you an upvote for that.

One of the better explanations of ethics and morality in the American sense that I’ve seen.


105 posted on 06/07/2017 12:13:28 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Kaslin
No one suggests that Trump is perfect--nor was Coolidge & Reagan;-but they are the only three Presidents since 1901, whom I could enthusiastically support. Trump towers over the likes of Clinton, Bush II & everyone towers over Obama.

While there may be some exceptions, I stand pat on my analysis of what drives most of the academic & media Trump haters; those who have pulled out all stops, abandoned any shred of a moral compass, in their onslaught against patriotic Americans:

What Drives The Trump Haters.

106 posted on 06/07/2017 12:45:48 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: allendale

“Trump may not be perfect but at least he discerns reality. ...”

Well said.

I have no major objection to this article, nor to Prager’s previous article, nor to Dennis Prager himself.

One poster in an earlier post responded to never Trumpers: we held our noses and voted for Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain; now it’s your turn. Basically, I agree.

Had there been a “never McCain” movement, I would have rejected it. I feared that a President McCain might have done more harm to conservatives than a President Obama. But I just can’t vote for a left-wing socialist President, leading our left-wing socialist party. Just don’t go there. “Lead us not into temptation.”

I don’t take Trump as the measure, as in, “anything he does is OK.” I have my standards. So far, by my standards, he has done a great job.


107 posted on 06/07/2017 1:30:06 PM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: stockpirate

Many of the people you mentioned would be very happy with the “moderate” label.

Personally, I don’t think G.W. Bush was a bad President. He could have been more conservative. Even so, the left still suffered from Bush derangement syndrome.

My greatest disappointment with W is his current negative attitude towards Trump. By now, he should have gotten over any bruised feelings, from the Jeb-Donald contest. W should be firmly in the camp of President Trump(R).

I saw W throw Nixon under the bus “the lie that was Nixon.” Now he doesn’t support Trump. I would like to support W on both the economy and Iraq, but he has not earned it. I still might offer defenses, for the sake of our understanding, for our nation, even for the party, but not for the man.


108 posted on 06/07/2017 1:45:39 PM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: xzins

Well said.

Although in the case of Jeb, we dodged a bullet.


109 posted on 06/07/2017 1:56:42 PM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: Flick Lives
Trump offends the Republican country-club set. The trust fund babies. The American gentry. They prefer someone from "within the club".

Anyone who's not a member (such as me) who's spent any time around them can attest to this.

110 posted on 06/07/2017 2:40:46 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Thank you for playing.


111 posted on 06/08/2017 11:32:16 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Lakeshark

I’ll stay here. There are some good folks here.


112 posted on 06/08/2017 11:33:14 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

There are, and a lot of them have smarts and common sense.

I hope they rub off on you someday.....

If not, just lurk. You might hurt yourself even more.


113 posted on 06/08/2017 12:36:33 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: Lakeshark

I’ll continue to be me. But thanks for the advice.


114 posted on 06/08/2017 4:28:14 PM PDT by joesbucks
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