Posted on 04/09/2017 12:59:59 PM PDT by Kaslin
In a ridiculous discussion that sounded as though it belonged in a forum of a left-wing website, the panel on Sunday’s Meet the Press bemoaned how the country’s attitude towards women cost Hillary Clinton the White House. Moderator Chuck Todd read from the recent NYT column of Nicholas Kristof, who described Clinton’s idea of Trump voters as “I don’t agree with him, I’m not sure I really approve of him, but he looks like somebody who’s been president before.” Paraphrasing Clinton, Todd suggested that “she believed misogyny played a much larger role in this than it’s been analyzed by many of us.”
Helene Cooper, The New York Times’s Pentagon correspondent, agreed that sexism had a hand in Clinton’s defeat. “I think many women probably feel that way. And I don't think I would necessarily dismiss that,” she argued, “I've talked to plenty of Trump voters who say they just didn't like Hillary, including women who said, no, there's just something -- I just didn't like her. I think there's something to be said for that.”
“But I think we can’t pretend that this sort of misogyny doesn’t exist. I think it would be naïve,” she continued.
She wasn’t the only panelist who bought into Clinton’s assertions. David Brooks, another New York Times columnists (surprise, surprise), was in full agreement as well. “Gender politics clearly played a role in this election,” he opined before slamming Trump with a smirk:
Donald Trump is a cliché of old-fashioned masculinity and a lot of people long for that kind of masculinity which is never coming back, but they long for it. And so, to say that his hyper-macho stereotype is not part of why he got elected, I mean, it wasn't his knowledge.
‘Meet the Press’ Debates If Hillary Lost Because of the Country’s ‘Misogyny’
But Danielle Pletka from the American Enterprise Institute shot down Clinton’s whining and blame shifting. “Okay, first of all, Hillary Clinton doesn't want to take responsibility for anything. She lost the election because she's Hillary Clinton, not because she's a woman,” she declared.
She agreed that the women do have a more difficult time in politics, but she chastised the former Secretary for complaining about it. “Look, if you want to be a woman who's influential than stand up to it, ignore it and it will change over time. Screaming about misogyny doesn't change things,” she decried.
The National Review’s Rich Lowry agreed and pointed out that during the GOP primaries Trump was the largest figure on every stage. “So he had a certain executive bearing and that helped but ultimately Hillary Clinton is not just not good at politics,” he contended, “She's not a good campaigner and she's probably the one active politician in the country who could have lost to Donald Trump and she did.”
“You think another woman could have beaten Donald Trump,” Todd asked him, to which Lowry responded with: “A likable woman could have, yes.”
The media’s rehashed cries of sexism show that they are quite like Clinton, in that they don’t “want to take responsibility for anything,” as Pletka put it. And the only reason they brought it up this long after the election is because Clinton had crawled out of the woods and had cried foul to a sympathetic ear. It shows how, once again, the media will push her argument for her.
Transcript below:
NBC
Meet the Press
April 9, 2017
11:24:34 AM Eastern
CHUCK TODD: Back now with End Game. Hillary Clinton sort of came out. Did an interview with Nicholas Kristof—where hours before President Trump addressed the nation saying we’re bombing an airfield, she was recommending we should be bombing his airfield. But she said something else in the interview that’s in his column this morning talking about the election. And she said “[She] characterized the mind-set of some Trump voters as, ‘I don’t agree with him, I’m not sure I really approve of him, but he looks like somebody who’s been president before.’” Helene, she believed misogyny played a much larger role in this than it’s been analyzed by many of us. What do you say?
HELENE COOPER: I think many women probably feel that way. And I don't think I would necessarily dismiss that. I've talked to plenty of Trump voters who say they just didn't like Hillary, including women who said, no, there's just something -- I just didn't like her. I think there's something to be said for that.
But I think we can’t pretend that this sort of misogyny doesn’t exist. I think it would be naïve.
DANIELLE PLETKA: Oh, come on.
TODD: Dani, she took it a step further. She said that women in power just get negatively characterized over time more so than men. That was the larger argument. What do you say?
PLETKA: Okay, first of all, Hillary Clinton doesn't want to take responsibility for anything. She lost the election because she's Hillary Clinton, not because she's a woman. And, yes, of course, women in power are more negatively portrayed, hard-charging man, a woman is a -- can I go after Lindsey graham and use a bad word? We know what it is. Look, if you want to be a woman who's influential than stand up to it, ignore it and it will change over time. Screaming about misogyny doesn't change things.
DAVID BROOKS: Yeah I disagree. Gender politics clearly played a role in this election.
PLETKA: Ek
BROOKS: Not so much -- not necessarily misogyny but certainly -- Donald Trump is a cliché of old-fashioned masculinity and a lot of people long for that kind of masculinity which is never coming back but they long for it. And so, to say that his hyper-macho stereotype is not part of why he got elected, I mean, it wasn't his knowledge.
TODD: You're nodding.
RICH LOWRY: You saw this in the primaries. Where t didn't matter how sophomoric Donald Trump was being, if you’re standing in the middle of the debate stage he was a bigger figure than anyone else up there. So he had a certain executive bearing and that helped, but ultimately Hillary Clinton is not just not good at politics. She's not a good campaigner and she's probably the one active politician in the country who could have lost to Donald Trump and she did.
TODD: And you don't think -- you think another woman could have beaten Donald Trump?
LOWRY: A likable woman could have, yes.
The fact she is the most corrupt politician in our history has nothing to do with it.
Lots of women think Trump is a misogynist but they voted for Hillary...
These people are delusional...
hillary lost because she is a socialist/globalist criminal who thinks herself above the law
Hillary is a tedious, whiny, unlikeable POS. She’s a compulsive liar and lacks insight, judgment, and political skills.
The fact that she is now trying to play her “woman card” in such an annoying way is simply more evidence that she was never fit to be President.
Exactly
And voters don’t want a psycho for a president.
Well Margaret Thatcher could have never become US President, so you would have wasted your time.
Who cares if she received more popular votes. She received a lot less electoral votes and those are the votes that count.
How can I best put it? Her baggage train stretched from Montauk Point NY to Half Moon Bay CA. I think that had the most bearing with anyone who wasn’t thinking with their emotions.
Bingo!!! There are a number of women that I could easily support for president. hillary ain't one of them and never could be.
And that is factual on both points
LOL Hillary’s vagina......
clearly she didn’t nail down the vaginal American voters.......
Isn’t it prejudicial and condescending, to just assume that women are eager to vote for a woman candidate for office??
David Brooks is to quote Bugs Bunny “a maroon”. Trump’s masculinity may not be visible at the cocktail parties you’re attending but is still very much alive in America. Brooks has a habit of making these broad sweeping supposedly intelligent statements that are when you break them down completely idiotic. This is one of his finest. Hillary lost because she was Hillary, evil,corrupt and a complete fraud. In spite of what Mr Brooks may think the people in flyover country can recognize this.
Well Margaret Thatcher could have never become US President, so you would have wasted your time.
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I did not know that. Next thing you’ll tell me is that she’s deceased. /.sarcasm
My point was that it had nothing to do with a candidate being a woman. If I believe it’s the right person, that’s who I’ll vote for.
She lost because she’s a crooked and corrupt career politician who alienated a good half the population by labeling Trump supporters as *racists*, *homophobic*, and *deplorable*.
Why is it that when I see this word used, it’s by people who do the exactly same things toward men and see no problem with it?
Now while this person states that you don’t have to be guilty of all these to be a misogynist, you don’t have to break any of them to be called one. It’s typically the charge of a women who is very comfortable telling to guy not to get his panties in a bunch over something, in a group setting. Of course that’s intended to belittle him, infer that he’s feminine, a direct attack on his masculinity, and intended to silence him from any discussion where his advocacy might prevail at the consternation of the offending party.
The only way to respond to it, is to call the person on it immediately and let them know you won’t stand for it.
At this point they generally act as if you misunderstood them and it’s all a silly misunderstanding, then once again seeking to belittle you for even thinking such things.
You call them on that too, and make it clear you’ll continue to do it until they accept your participation from the male perspective, even if that cramps their style.
TODD: And you don’t think — you think another woman could have beaten Donald Trump?
LOWRY: A likable woman could have, yes.
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And Hillary was NOT likable, which goes to show that it isn’t misogyny.
“So, there should be no choice in the matter?? Can’t a person vote for who they want, no matter the reason?”
Yes, just like those who voted for Obama to assuage their white guilt.
> Hillary Lost Because of the Country’s ‘Misogyny’ <
Ridiculous. Consider if you will this alternative 2016 scenario. It’s Joe Biden (D) vs. Sarah Palin (R).
Would all of those Trump supporters have voted for Biden because of their ‘misogyny’?
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