Posted on 03/24/2017 4:30:45 AM PDT by davikkm
And again...
Of course I do. He said the exact opposite hundreds of times to millions of veterans.
Quit yelling.
So. What did he say about DACA??????????????
Third choice:
End the mandate, end the funding, end the insane restrictions on health coverage, and let Obamacare implode & let the market offer what people want.
NO REPLACEMENT.
smart move!!
“To Mr. Trump and his team, the health care repeal is a troublesome stepchild. His son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, who is vacationing with his family in Aspen this week, has said for days that the bill was a mistake to support”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/politics/trump-health-care-bill-regrets.html
Where are u going to find the votes?
Only 25 conservatives are opposing RyanCare.
Hundreds of other GOP members are supporting it.
25 votes are enough to kill RyanCare, but way far off from
repealing Obamacare.
So, what u will be left with is Full Blown Obamacare.
Tell me where the votes are to repeal?
Do u hate Trump’s Supreme Court Nominee too?
The big business special interests control both parties and want the core of Obamacare.
They don’t care if it has Democrat Liberal Progressive window dressing on it like Obama gave us or Republican Conservative Free Market window dressing on it like Paul Ryan wants.
As long as the big insurance companies, pharma companies and above all the big hospital-health care conglomerates that get bigger every day get their money out of your pocket, its OK.
And don’t forget the Cadillac Health Care Plan Tax, it gives every big business in America an excuse to control their costs for healthcare and pass the bill on to their employees.
Thanks blaze...
Then let Obamacare die under its own weight. End the punative-tax mandate. Slash funding (along with everything else until the budget is balanced). End the inane across-state-lines prohibition. Allow insurers to offer whatever plans they like. Obamacare will die on its own.
If replaced, then the Left will viciously target the replacement, make the GOP own it, and make sure it dies - taking much of GOP credibility with it. RyanCare will just be a big stick handed to the Left to beat the Right with. RyanCare is just a hacked-up “oh $#!^, we gotta do something”.
The WHOLE POINT is that government-run healthcare doesn’t work and isn’t Constitutional. Replacing government-run healthcare with government-run healthcare won’t work and isn’t Constitutional.
No replacement. The _worst_ thing to do is replacement.
The kamikaze attacks will continue until we are out of planes.
“But President Ronald Reagan had the right idea as he faced a Democratic-controlled House throughout his presidency. He would regularly say about working with the Democrats, ‘If they offer you half a loaf, what do you do? You take half a loaf and then you come back for more.’ “
Something else is at issue, for those against the current iteration of this bill: what if it fails? Oh, you may say, “that’s great, the bill is just Obamacare-light, it should fail.” Well, take a step back, try looking at the forest as a whole and not just this individual (and important) tree. If this goes down in flames today, that will be a huge victory for the Dems over Trump during his first 100 days. It would set the tone for the future - and Trump’s tax plan and efforts to straighten out immigration would be in serious jeopardy.
FURTHER, what does anyone think that the reaction of the American people will be to this? My read on that is that people will be very ticked off. After all, Republicans asked for control of the House in 2010 to fight O-care, and we gave it to them. Then they did nothing, with the excuse that they needed to control the Senate, too. So we gave it to them in 2014. Still they did nothing, because “the President will just veto anything that we pass.” OK, so we gave them an anti-Obamacare President in 2016 while retaining control of the entire Congress. Imagine that, for the first time since 1928, Republicans control the White House and both houses of Congress...and if they do nothing, then the American people will rightly say, “To Hell with them, the lying bastards! WE gave them everything they wanted, and they LIED to us. We can’t vote for the other side, but we’re going to stay home in 2018.”
We have a golden opportunity to peel back, layer by layer, the regulatory state. It wasn’t built in a day, and it can’t be dismantled in a day. But you have to start somewhere, you have to start moving in the right direction, or all is lost. THIS DAY will be crucial more than any other in modern memory for the future of this nation, and for our liberties: either we start walking in the right direction, slowly and wobbly like an infant learning to walk, or we fail. The statists will have won.
Please, House Republicans, pass this (very imperfect) bill - because we HAVE to do so to start moving. No bill and no person are perfect - and this bill and President Trump are no exceptions to that rule - but this is what we’ve got to work with right now. Consider what the Dems would do if the roles were reversed: they’d have ALREADY passed it in both houses and it’d be on the President’s desk. Let their aggressiveness for what they believe in guide us as to what we should do for what we believe in.
Pass the bill, damnit!
When you say “all or nothing” you usually get nothing. Politics is, as Ronald Reagan understood, the art of the possible. Metaphysical perfection is not going to be obtained - we have to settle for what we can get, when we can get it. The Dems would do that - the HAVE BEEN doing that since the time of FDR - and look how much progress (from their socialist, statist P.O.V.) they have made! We’d be stupid to NOT emulate that method (though, obviously, moving in the opposite direction).
2 steps forward, one step back. It is slower and more frustrating than just moving forward, but there ARE obstacles in the way. Moving slowly and imperfectly in the right direction is way better than not moving at all.
Purists end up getting nothing - and if that happens here, then the perfect storm of a Republican President, House and Senate (for the first time since 1928) will have been wasted. If this fails, imperfect as it is (and, oh boy, IS it imperfect), then Trump will lose momentum and the Dems/socialists/statists will have won. Is that what you want?
I don’t mind civil, debates on important topics!
And this is an important topic.
“No replacement. The _worst_ thing to do is replacement.”
The worst thing to do is to willingly hand President Trump a big defeat on one of the signature campaign promises that he has made, and also to fail to deliver on ANYTHING that the Republicans have promised to get control of the House in 2010, control of the Senate in 2014, and the Presidency in 2016. This would kill his momentum, and lead to huge loses for Republicans in the future as people realized that our side is just a bunch of liars. We have the perfect storm of 2 branches of government wholly within our control for the first time in 88 years, and if we do not pass an admittedly very imperfect partial repeal of O’care, then we shall likely have to wait another 88 years to have this opportunity again.
Take a step back and look at the big picture: Donald Trump wants to destroy the regulatory state, piece-by-piece. If he can’t even get his own party to cooperate on something that they said that they’d do, then he will fail...and we will be back on that slippery slope toward a “Peoples Democracy” that the Leftists want so badly.
The only discussion I saw all over tv yesterday was a political one. Is it bad for the President if this bill fails? Why did Ryan do it this way?
I didn’t see one discussion about whether or not the bill was actually a better bill for the people. Seems noone cares about that. And that’s why people hate politics.
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