Massad Ayoob: 5 Things To Know After A Defensive Shooting

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/20/massad-ayoob-5-things-to-know-after-a-defensive-shooting/#ixzz4bvESOWDn ^ | Massad Ayoob

[bobby.223]

And there is NOBODY better at it. His ‘In The Gravest Extreme’ book is still a good read. (I think I bought my copy in 1981 or 1982, still have it!) Heck, ALL of his books/writing/articles/gun tests etc. etc. are very well done as far as I am concerned.

[cpdiii]

Great Post, also as you noted the perception of time slows down when in mortal danger. It is like things are playing out in slow motion though in reality it is very quick. In your memory you see everything in detail. If not in mortal danger it is not like that and your perception of events is not as detailed and exact.

[cpdiii]

Good advice!

Use maximum force until the bad guy is down and then shoot no more. At the point he is no longer a threat you should use any skill you have to give aid to the bad guy. That will go a long way in court on the good guys side.

[cpdiii]

I carry anyplace it is legal. In advance I have gone over scenarios of when I must use lethal force and thankfully this has never happened.

It is very easy to think these things out in detail but when the adrenaline is pumping you become narrow focused in a fight or flight syndrome. The absolute best scenario is you do not need to pull your weapon. Talk your way out of it if possible. Actually just walk away if you can. That confuses bad guys unless they are intent on causing you harm. If none of this works and you are in mortal fear of your life, kill the threat, call the cops and call your lawyer and say two things, “I was in fear of my life and will cooperate fully when my lawyer is present.” Then shut up!

Actually if you are trying to flee and they agress you in most states (I love my Texas) you are home free if you use deadly force. If it is in your home in Texas, you own their ass and the cops will be pleased.

[Riley]

Great Post, also as you noted the perception of time slows down when in mortal danger.

I have experienced this, although I was not in mortal danger at the time. It's wild, it's like the world is moving in slow motion and you're not.

[Riley]

Agree completely. If there is a way out that does not involve deadly force, take that.

[dragnet2]

I wouldn’t do that, it could get you killed. Your choice.

But I’d take time to ensure the bad guy had no accomplishes around before even thinking of giving aid to the bad guy.

And if you do that they’ll target you for his death civilly in court saying you weren’t qualified to give aid which contributed to the cause of his death and on and on and on.

[husky ed]

BS

Ed

[Strac6]

Next time, talk to he doctor before you suddenly stop the meds.

[wbarmy]

What have you done?

Well, that will leave a mark. I thought I was doing pretty good with the SIG SCI classes, Blackwater training (2 times), and various military classes to include Israeli training. But I never got any workouts with the NYPD, although I spent over six years running cases in NY City.

[Cololeo]

I believe the proper attitude is to “Shoot to Stop” and continue until the threat is stopped. It will keep you out of prison more than “Shoot to Kill” will. JMHO.

[Vermont Lt]

The first thing you should do is tell the cops you need to go to the hospital because of chest pains. On your way, call your lawyer. THEN tell your story.

The cops will figure it out before too long anyway.

Talking to the police without a lawyer hardly ever ends up in your favor.

[jimbug]

Great Post!

[FreedomPoster]

Max Ayoob is awesome. Since you are clearly not familiar with him, go out and buy and read In the Gravest Extreme: The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection. It’s a little old, so some of the weapons discussion has been superseded by events (automatics are much more common now, vs. revolvers), but the core information on legal and psychological aspects is just solid. A must read. Seriously, doing this will be one of your best uses of time this year.

https://www.amazon.com/Gravest-Extreme-Firearm-Personal-Protection/dp/0936279001

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Ping

[NorthMountain]

, so some of the weapons discussion has been superseded by events

I'd like to amplify that. In the Gravest Extreme was published in 1980

Think that over for a few minutes.

Do you even remember 1980?

It's not just the weapons discussion that has changed since 1980. The legal climate has undergone a dramatic upheaval since then as well. In 1980, concealed carry was illegal or highly restricted throughout these United States. Castle Doctrine laws were rare to nonexistent. Most States held a legal duty to retreat. I don't have maps of Castle doctrine of Stand Your Ground ... the Concealed Carry map is instructive. I wish Mas Ayoob would update his book.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

“BS”

Suit yourself...

[Concentrate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4_EdPwTkE&list=PLbE6SK_fRoM7mXM0VveJwmnxZUg8VbSgN

Why you should never talk to the police. One of my favorite videos, ever. Listen carefully and often.

You’re welcome!

[FreedomPoster]

I concur with the wish for an update. I still think the book is highly useful for the mindset and psychological issues discussed, and despite the legal environment changes, the legal discussion still has merit.

[Moltke]

This clashes with “Never talk (i.e. give a statement) to the police. Ever.”

There’s a fairly well-known youtube vid explaining why.

Much easier to say NOTHING than accidentally say the wrong thing.