Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

New York Times Column: What Happens When You Fight a ‘Deep State’ That Doesn’t Exist
New York Times ^ | 03/11/2017 | Max Fisher

Posted on 03/13/2017 11:21:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Trump administration, in its fight against the “deep state,” could risk exacerbating the very problems it has pinned on shadowy bureaucratic forces: leaking, internal conflict and the politicization of institutions like intelligence agencies.

American institutions do not resemble the powerful deep states of countries like Egypt or Pakistan, experts say. Nor do individual leaks, a number of which have come from President Trump’s own team, amount to a conspiracy.

The diagnosis of a “deep state,” those experts say, has the problem backward.

Mr. Trump has put institutions under enormous stress. He has attacked them publicly, implied he would reject intelligence findings that cast his election in a poor light, hobbled agencies by failing to fill critical positions and cut off bodies like the National Security Council from shaping policy.

That has forced civil servants into an impossible dilemma: acquiesce, allowing their institution to be sidelined, or mount a defense, for example through leaks that counter Mr. Trump’s accusations or pressure him into restoring normal policy-maker practices.

Those defensive acts have deepened perceptions in the Trump administration of a “deep state” that must be rooted out. This tit-for-tat cycle, scholars say, risks substantially weakening both Mr. Trump and government institutions. In the long term, they warn, this could undermine the government’s ability to function — and to serve the millions of Americans who depend on it.

Though Mr. Trump has not publicly used the phrase, allies and sympathetic news media outlets have repurposed “deep state” from its formal meaning — a network of civilian and military officials who control or undermine democratically elected governments — to a pejorative meant to accuse civil servants of illegitimacy and political animus.

It is akin to Mr. Trump’s appropriation of “fake news,” a term that originally described rumor mills

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deepstate
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-39 next last

1 posted on 03/13/2017 11:21:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

RE: The diagnosis of a “deep state,” those experts say, has the problem backward.

The thing I really dislike about columns like this one is they attribute some quote to so called “experts” but never identify who these people are.

Do they even exist? Who knows?


2 posted on 03/13/2017 11:22:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Just heard this article roasted on Rush by Mark S.

Deep State doesn’t exist but if you complain about it you’ll create it.

Weren’t these the same people screaming about Nazi control because of the Patriot Act? And not one complaint for 8 years of drone strikes killing kids or American citizens with no trials from the NYT crowd.


3 posted on 03/13/2017 11:23:19 AM PDT by TigerClaws
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

More fact free/fake news from the world’s printed faux news master of fact free/fake news.


4 posted on 03/13/2017 11:23:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( The Revolution is not over. It will not be over until Trump is Re-Elected again in 2020!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

One would almost think they are naive, who knows perhaps they are.


5 posted on 03/13/2017 11:24:16 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The message: You make something that doesn’t exist much worse. Than it is. Or isn’t.

So I guess this could mean, if we were to compliment the “deep state” it would kind of go away?

And there could be something to that idea. After all, the ridicule of Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters has made them massively stupider over time.


6 posted on 03/13/2017 11:25:17 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Or not. The disinformation bureau strikes again.


7 posted on 03/13/2017 11:25:20 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The Left has the temperament of a squealing pig.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Trump has put institutions under enormous stress. He has attacked them publicly, implied he would reject... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Whichi is why the people voted for President Trump.

They know as a matter of empirical fact that President Trump is right.

This is a propaganda article, with skillfully weaponized text on full display.

The public also realize that this is the New York Slimes, abusers of the 1st amendment of Free Speech via lies.


8 posted on 03/13/2017 11:27:42 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain.


9 posted on 03/13/2017 11:28:10 AM PDT by Tenega
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The mental gymnastics it takes to write this crap.


10 posted on 03/13/2017 11:29:04 AM PDT by proust (Trump / Pence 2016!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

“If Trump keep criticizing the deep state, it will obtain revenge” is how I take the article.


11 posted on 03/13/2017 11:29:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
You just described the hall mark of fact free/fake news, never telling the readers or viewers who the sources or so called experts are.

The thing I really dislike about columns like this one is they attribute some quote to so called “experts” but never identify who these people are.

Do they even exist? Who knows?

12 posted on 03/13/2017 11:29:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( The Revolution is not over. It will not be over until Trump is Re-Elected again in 2020!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

CIA Wiki release says that the NYT is full of sheisse!


13 posted on 03/13/2017 11:36:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Security officer on Benghazi : “For me the Taliban is inside the building”


14 posted on 03/13/2017 11:36:18 AM PDT by piasa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The CIA isn’t spying on you...........


15 posted on 03/13/2017 11:37:22 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Reminds me of the movie Gaslight with Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer.


16 posted on 03/13/2017 11:37:51 AM PDT by Nevadan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

PRAVDA.


17 posted on 03/13/2017 11:39:51 AM PDT by WENDLE (We said REPEAL the socialism NOT replace with other socialism.!! RINOCARE GOES NOWHERE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

You know what REALLY doesn’t exist?

Factual news, at the New Fake Times.


18 posted on 03/13/2017 11:43:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The greatest trick the devil ever did was to convince people he doesn’t exist.


19 posted on 03/13/2017 11:48:02 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

If the “experts” are not named, you may consider it a fake news story.


20 posted on 03/13/2017 11:48:21 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-39 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson