Posted on 03/09/2017 7:58:59 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
China can go to hell. You can’t image the fried rice. Screw China. Go TRUMP!!
I wonder if it works even as well as our 1980 era CIWS?
Those are computer-generated images, like you can make with AutoCAD or Solid Works.
If they had something real, I think they would be showing it, not some dumb CGI still shots.
I wonder that too. Interesting idea, but the CISW was speedy and simple. I’m thinking the missiles and their weight, and their infrastructure in the targeting module would slow it down the smallest bit.
I’m way out of my field here, but I would think a missiles module doing its thing at a distance, and CIWS up close working simultaneously, but not together in the same turret. And both of them fully independent of the other.
I’m probably being simple minded here. But it seems like installing 20mm in the same turret as your 5” guns. Both need to do different things at the same time.
But like I said, way outta my field.
Maybe modern computers fully overcome my thinking on the question and can manage both as a team.
that’s a model of a CIWS, not a CIWS. it’s a lot like their aircraft carrier that they didn’t build, and can’t recover aircraft.
The CIWS gun the system uses is very real and already deployed. The “new” part is the adding of six missiles to the CIWS mount.
How about video proof from 2012 that Liaoning (ex-Varyag) can actually launch and recover aircraft?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fXNIWsN4uo
Hate to tell you, but their carrier is looking a lot more functional than not.
As I said, the gun is very real - it appears at 1:02 in this video shot during Chinese war games back in 2013. It shows up a few times after that with more footage after 2:53.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCzlu4vsw1o
As to speed, the basic gun mount weights about the same as Phalanx (6 tonnes), Half a dozen missiles aren't going to add enough to slow it down that much.
What type of aircraft are those in the video?
Keep in mind that the missiles will be homing or guided missiles. The sights for the gun part of the system don’t really matter as the missiles really only need to be pointed in the general direction of the target and launched. The mount they’re on will have only minimal involvement beyond launch.
FYI, the Russians have been very successful with recent gun/missile combo systems. The Russian Tunguska (SA-19 Grison) self-propelled AA gun/missile system has a pretty good combat record.
Never mind.
From what I’ve read, the missiles are used to extend the range of the CIWS system - all CIWS systems have a relatively short range inherent to their smaller caliber rapid fire guns. The missiles are to be used to engage oncoming threats beyond the range of the gun and the gun fires when the threat enters its range if the missiles haven’t knocked it down.
Above picture is one launching from the Liaoning. It's a Chinese built navalized variant of the Russian Su-33. The Liaoning is a ski-jump carrier, but China just developed a CATOBAR capable version, the J-15A. As for the carrier's operational status... "In January 2017, the carrier Liaoning, returned to the South China Seas after its first deployment into the West Pacific, conducted a series of take-off and landing drills with its force of embarked J-15 fighters."
That’s kinda what I said
They took the original Type 730 and converted it into a land CIWS system, like we did the CIWS Ashore program. They called it the LD-2000 system. Then they put six TY-90 missiles on it, called it the LD-2000 Gai and apparently had some success with it. They're now backporting the missile capability back to the parent Type 730 naval CIWS.
Here's pictures of the LD-2000 Gai in the metal:
These pictures date back to 2011 when the UAE expressed interest in buying some.
Yeah, the real difference is the thing about the range - their doctrine doesn’t seem to be to fire the missiles if the gun is in range, which is what I was trying to elaborate on.
Shouldn’t the deck be curved upwards?
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