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11th Circuit partly Reverses Ruling on Doctors, Records, and Guns
ammoland ^ | 18 February, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/28/2017 5:52:26 PM PST by marktwain

Doctors, Guns and Harassment

The 11th Circuit has released their en banc ruling on Wollschlaeger v. Florida. They partly reversed the three judge panels ruling on whether doctors have the right to interrogate patients on gun ownership, and record the answers in medical records, outside of reasons concerning individual patient care. The three judge panel had asserted that the state had a compelling interest in protecting Second Amendment rights, and could regulate licensed doctors to do so. The legislation in question is the Firearms Owners’ Privacy Act (FOPA).

The 11Circuit asserted that doctors were merely private actors. As private actors, they have not legal authority to take away patients firearms.  From uscourts.gov:

The first problem is that there was no evidence whatsoever before the Florida Legislature that any doctors or medical professionals have taken away patients’ firearms or otherwise infringed on patients’ Second Amendment rights. This evidentiary void is not surprising because doctors and medical professionals, as private actors, do not have any authority (legal or otherwise) to restrict the ownership or possession of firearms by patients (or by anyone else for that matter). The Second Amendment right to own and possess firearms does not preclude questions about, commentary on, or criticism for the exercise of that right.

The new ruling also stated that fears that electronic databases that contained private firearms information could be misused and subject to hacking were merely “hypothetical” and therefore not usable to support the FOPA legislation.

The state officials rely in part on the panel’s assertion that the challenged FOPA provisions are constitutional because there is a danger that information electronically stored by doctors and medical professionals about firearm ownership might be subject to hacking, theft, or some other intrusion. See Wollschlaeger IV, 814 F.3d


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; digitalrecords; doctors; doctorsguns; guns
The en banc ruling completely disregarded any collusion between government and doctors. They held the law up to "strict scrutiny" for the First Amendment, and gave little consideration to the Second Amendment.

At least they upheld the patient's right to refuse to answer the questions about guns.

1 posted on 02/28/2017 5:52:26 PM PST by marktwain
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2 posted on 02/28/2017 6:11:56 PM PST by PROCON (Defending the Border isn't a Political Option, it's a Constitutional Obligation ~ Rick Perry)
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To: marktwain

My regular doctor brought this up ONCE a few years ago, my response was: Do you still hang out at the park on the weekends filming little boys?

The subject never came up again


3 posted on 02/28/2017 6:14:34 PM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: marktwain

These crazy courts are out of control.
Gun ownership is not a medical condition.


4 posted on 02/28/2017 6:15:35 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

They partly reversed the three judge panels ruling on whether doctors have the right to interrogate patients on gun ownership, and record the answers in medical records...

That isn’t the issue

The problem is Doctors are, by extension, government thugs, intimidating someone who is there for a medical reason.

They are, by law, required to ask the question and cannot act as a private citizen and simply not.

I was asked that question 2 months in the E.R.

“Do you have any guns in the home?”

“Not as far as you know...”


5 posted on 02/28/2017 6:20:57 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Vendome

I was asked that question 2 months ago in the E.R.

“Do you have any guns in the home?”

“Not as far as you know...”

(fixed)


6 posted on 02/28/2017 6:22:15 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Vendome

That was one of my points.

They are no longer private actors. In many ways they are government agents.


7 posted on 02/28/2017 6:24:06 PM PST by marktwain (We wanted to tell our side of the story. We hope by us telling our story...)
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To: marktwain

Yup, extensions of big brother. Just like banks are. And hotels - cant book rooms without credit cards.


8 posted on 02/28/2017 6:26:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Vendome
At my annual exam the nurse was updating my chart and asked "Do you have a gun in the home?" I very truthfully answered No, I do not have a gun in my home".
9 posted on 02/28/2017 6:30:57 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Vendome

“Are you aware of an ongoing burglary at my compound?”


10 posted on 02/28/2017 6:42:00 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: marktwain

My doctor had that on his questionnaire at one point.

I don’t recall seeing it recently.

I just lied about it.


11 posted on 02/28/2017 6:51:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mastador1

Good answer, I don’t have a gun, either ;)


12 posted on 02/28/2017 7:04:42 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Mastador1

Wait. She doing your Anal exam and didn’t find it?


13 posted on 02/28/2017 7:06:43 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Paladin2

LOL


14 posted on 02/28/2017 7:07:06 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Mastador1

If in fact you had a piece of Naval artilery in your home I would be much surprized.

You answered truthfully.


15 posted on 02/28/2017 7:09:43 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: eyeamok

Mine asked. I told him that I pay him for quality medical advice and care. That his asking political questions made me question that.

In this day and age every minute of a doctor’s care is valuable. By asking stupid questions, he is shorting my medical care. I let him know that I didn’t appreciate it and thought he needed to pay more attention to medicine.


16 posted on 02/28/2017 7:26:16 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: marktwain

They don’t want you to CCW in their offices either. Afraid you will use it on some of the crappy Malpractice ones.


17 posted on 03/01/2017 4:36:28 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump! DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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